SPEED LIMETERS WHATS YOUR TAKE ON THEM?

[Lonleyboy_515]

Our company has a 62 mi. an hr. speed limit at times it can be dangerous. especially when you are out west with the higher speed limits. I never have to worry about getting a speeding ticket cause i can't go fast enough :rofl: I do find that there is a lot less stress on me at that speed. :cheers:

[bikerboy]

I hate speed limiters, i think they are dangerous, I have been scared more than once when passing with a truck governed at 65. Maybe if they were governed at a sensible speed like 70 or 72 mph they would be safer.

My truck i drive now has no speed governor, and i like it that way!

[Drifter]

I for one do not want every one running at the same slow speed as me(gov. at 103kph) It will make the right lane to crowded and interfere with me getting into centers for my Timmies. Not to mention how unsafe it will be.
We have speed limits, increase the fines for C.M.V. and STRICTLY ENFORCE them. End of speeding problem ;)
Owner op`s should be left out of the installation discussion as they know or should the the ramifications of to many tickets

[Drifter]

Thats another part of the O/O speed limiter, I don`t agree with Gov`t involvment to that extent in ANY private business

[norrie99]

here here. Nail the guys HARD that are speeding and let the rest of us run the truck at the best RPM for fuel and emmisions control within a reasonable speed allowance for hills and passing and taking in consideration for the situation.
Its as simple as that but I have travelled the coke since it was invented and i cannot believe the speed and uncontrolled travel of a super b that I have ever seen . The drivers should be publicly flogged. its insane. The worst part is... I can count the number of cops I have seen in the last year on both hands and maybe one foot. There is going to be a horrible horrible disaster one day

[RodeoJoe]

I have very seldom driven a truck that has no speed limiter. Most of my driving career has been spent in speed limited trucks. I don't have a problem with speed limiters. The company I'm driving for now (Aggressive Transport) has a company speed limit of 65 mph and I run a steady 100kph. The truck I drive is limited to around 67 - 68 mph and it's all OK with me. I don't have to worry about cops or constantly checking the mirrors, the company gets decent fuel and tire mileage. Our bonus depends partly on us not exceeding the speed limit and last week my bonus cheque was $3005.00 net. I found that most guys that are flying by me at 70, 75, and 80 mph are rushing to the next coffee shop or truck stop and I'm usually at my destination before the speed merchants get there. The truck I drive has 835,000 kms on it, original brakes, 2nd set of tires, and has averaged 8.8 mpg (Imperial) since I've been driving it. The way I look at the situation is that the less money the company has to pay out on maintenance and fuel, the more money they can pay me.

[norrie99]

AWESOME. Nothing wrong with that kinda bonus. Most of my experience is with trains right from 1969. With the extra weight its hard to keep it under the speed limit at times without draggin off the company asbestos. So why not let it run a bit in the right situation. but most of the drivers are crazy these days. Out of control.
I can blame it somewhat on HOS but really at the end of the month they haven't gottten any further and just wore out a truck in 30 days.
I have been there in the early days.. peddling as fast as I can.. passing everything in sight. Wore my self right out til I realized that all the guys I passed ..pulled in 5 - 10 minutes after me after a 6-800 mile trip. They really should have been after guys like me . Anyways. My point is. No speed limiters no evidence. Nail the bad guys and there are alot of them to nail out there just set up on the Coke only one day and watch.......geeeeeeesh

[Accremonious]

I have driven both and only received one speeding ticket and one warning in over a million miles. Having said that, I think from my experience jumping from one job to another, that about 65 to 70% of the Southern Ont. trucking companies are speed governed for several reasons. First, they get a better insurance rate, especially the autoparts linehaul operators who tend to hire some of the less intelligent types. At Verspeetens I saw guys who never ever did a circle check plus other nono's. Also the bigger companies tend to be managed by accountants, who have never stepped on a big truck clutch in their lives and it would be beneath their dignity to do so. These are the type of manager who do not understand the day to day realities of this industry yet are in charge. For instance, the HBC/Zellers people have the limiters set at 102KPH. They insist that the drivers use a Kadex recorder and when operating if your speedo touches 102 then you are required to take your foot off the accelerator and keep it under the 102! I left them when the agency tried to place me permanently there instead of on call because if you want me to drive at only 100KPH then set the Damn limiter at that speed. It would have been different if the units they had back then had been equipped with working cruise controls.
You will find as I did that there are many mind sets in this industry and many different sets of circumstances. Why should a long haul outfit that runs to the West USA Coast through states with 70 and 75MPH limits be governed at speeds which will cause them to be holding up traffic? Like wise are Quebec and Ontario going to ban trucks from the USA and other Cdn Provinces where they are not required to use the ECM codes to castrate the engine designers parameters? Also if trucks are to be limited then it is mandatory that cars also be limited. There are studies that prove that in those states which have split speed limits for cars vs trucks, the accident rates are significantly higher for both frequency and severity, the latter being the more important! Michigan was among the worst places for this and it got worse when the Governor raised the car limit and lowered the truck limit, but don't stop the politicians from pandering to their electoral base. This move in Ont. and Que. is not based on statistics but is based on politics, plus in Ont. a 105KPH limit is a non issue with most of the major trucking companies since they already are limited at that or less!

[junior]

Thought we all ready had speed limiters called the OPP.

[buzzy]

better than that........we got little black and white rectangular signs with numbers on them, stuck on posts on every roadway in the province.

[ROADHUGGER]

I was told that those black / white # signs are like STOP SIGNS in and around parking lots are only a SUGGESTION , I said the TRAFFIC act begs to differ and got a :wtf: is a TRAFFIC act.

[OldGoat]

here here. Nail the guys HARD that are speeding and let the rest of us run the truck at the best RPM for fuel and emmisions control within a reasonable speed allowance for hills and passing and taking in consideration for the situation.
Its as simple as that but I have travelled the coke since it was invented and i cannot believe the speed and uncontrolled travel of a super b that I have ever seen . The drivers should be publicly flogged. its insane. The worst part is... I can count the number of cops I have seen in the last year on both hands and maybe one foot. There is going to be a horrible horrible disaster one day

I just started on the coke and agree whole heartedly. Most of them don't even check their brakes at the brake check stops! I've always had either a governed engine or governed right foot. If the speed limit is 100k then that's what I do. If I'm coming off a hill and heading for the "up" side I'll run it out to 110km at the bottom, but for the most part I run at or slightly under the maximum. Running under, even a couple miles/hr when in heavy traffic (read Seattle through Tacoma) is so much easier (on your nerves) than trying to constantly "getting ahead".

[Rambone]

I run around 105k and my truck will run around 115. To me it works good at 105 and when I need to get out of the way of faster traffic I can. This new speed limit in Ontario will be more trouble than it's worth.

[bikerboy]

I also think this new law will only make the roads more dangerous.

They vehicles that really need governed at 105 are the 4 wheeler, but we all know that will never happen, they gov't can't get rich on speeding tickets anymore then and the gov't also wouldn;t want there own 4 wheerls slowed down.

What a joke this province is.
they ignore the real speeding problems ( 4 wheelers) and make up some BS that trucks need slowed down!!

driving slow is so boring, makes me sleepy and bored, sometimes i get so bored i have to call someone just to make the time go faster.

now if i was driving 120, i would be alot more alert and have to pay alot more attention to whats going on.

as soon as i get into my own vehicle, i always run about 110 120, just can;t help it. makes driving alot more fun and challenging.

driving at 100 on 401 doesn;t even seem like it takes any thought at all, just set cruise and steer, which gets very boring, compared to running 120 i am always passing and thats takes more thought.

[1-800-bigtruck]

I'm not against speed limiters, my truck is governed at 105-106. There are times I wish I could go faster for passing though. I Don't however agree to the government saying cmv's are to be governed to operate in the province of Ont. . If I;m not mistaken, This whole BS started from the big national companies endorsed by the OTA,so that everyone would be on a fair playing field for loads, since that didn't wash they changed ther tune and made it a saftey issue,and since that was pretty much proven to have no real bearing ,they decided to make it an enviromental issue.Now I don't think anyone needs to be running a truck with 90,000 lbs gross viehicle wieght 130kmh. but if they are let the cops get em . plus the speed limiters still won't help in the lower speed zones. Speed limiters are probably in most trucks now but should still be my choice.
Once it is impimented there will be, in my opinion more accidents with the 4 wheelers

[ROADHUGGER]

They need to ENFORCE the posted speed limits regardless if its a truck , car, suv or horse / buggy.

There are trucks on the road DRIVEN by 100% MORONS and are endangering everyone around them.

As for the speed limiters , know companies that have had them for past 15 years , great safety record , pay good $ , drivers adapted and are happy compared to same size outfits without them.

As for traffic jams , past few months majority of trucks on the 401 between Toronto / Montreal have SLOWWWWWWWWed down as a result of the HIGH $ of FUEL, no real problems , plenty of the American carriers have slowed down as well no problems , the WHINERS are some of the BILLY BIG RIGGERS ( not all that have nice trucks ) who think every rule was dreamed up and imposed just AGAINST THEM.

[ROADHUGGER]

But like they donts teach it no mores in the schools was what our neighbors kid told me 1 day when I fixed something for him and he asked how I knew what to do and I said common sense..

We should all get together and write a book "COMMON SENSE for DUMMIES"

[maan]

Hate it. Mostly B.S rationales from the powers that be. Doubt that any (maybe the odd one..) have spent time behind the wheel. Way more dangerous all round.

Speeds between trucks vary with weight, available power, hills etc & passing can now take forever. Quick passing is one thing; trucks running mostly side by side for miles with a few feet to spare ..winter, snow...

Way more trouble than its worth.

Whole thing reeks..:crazy:

[blazerdan]

speed limiters is only against highway driver, I am an owner operator and for sure i dont need a govt to tell me what to do with my truck unless they want to pay the installment on it.
We are not cray to drive a way to break down a truck either because that s our source of revenue, so you cannot compare company driver and o/o on that point.
The problem with speed limiter is that it s gonna drive you in between two points whtout any truck stop and a bosted log, for drivers who are on the long distance, has that law does not affect local or short distance drivers.
that is like the signs in ontario fatigue kills take a rest.... but where do i take a rest when there is not place to stop for a couple of hundred miles and now added with a lower speed... somebody has a sick mind at the govt.

[ROADHUGGER]

You are correct more rest areas ( trucks only if possible ) needed

[Pipeman]

speed limiters is only against highway driver, I am an owner operator and for sure i dont need a govt to tell me what to do with my truck unless they want to pay the installment on it.
We are not cray to drive a way to break down a truck either because that s our source of revenue, so you cannot compare company driver and o/o on that point.
The problem with speed limiter is that it s gonna drive you in between two points whtout any truck stop and a bosted log, for drivers who are on the long distance, has that law does not affect local or short distance drivers.
that is like the signs in ontario fatigue kills take a rest.... but where do i take a rest when there is not place to stop for a couple of hundred miles and now added with a lower speed... somebody has a sick mind at the govt.Let's say that you have a 13 or 18 speed. If your truck is set at 105 (which they will do for top speed in 18th gear), and your RPM's at 105 are at 1500, shift down into 17th gear and your RPM's at 105 will be at 1700. If your engine RPM's are set for 2200, I can guaranty you that you'll be well over 105, but you will burn fuel like crazy.

[bikerboy]

i don't think that works on all trucks, my truck only does 102 no matter what gear i am.

[ralph]

i don't think that works on all trucks, my truck only does 102 no matter what gear i am.

Your truck is really neutered/castrated isn't it. Dropping a gear will not change things, the maximum speed is the setting, not the RPM.

[junior]

That used to work Lucian but not anymore --- all the newer trucks have the computer set to limit speed not RPM. If it is set at 105 then that is all you will do (unless you are on a downhill grade)

Dave
Works on my 04 KW 105 in 13th and goes like hell in 12th

[bikerboy]

if you wanna keep driving an ungoverned truck there is things you can do.
get VIN plates and ownership from an older truck and install in newer truck and unhook any ECM plug in's and as long as ownership says its older than 1995, you can hammer down and the mto can't ticket you for not being governed.

that what i would do if i had my own truck.

[mc94xr7]

Here... Pick a flag to represent this joke of a province.


http://s735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/mc94xr7/th_Ossr.gif or http://s735.photobucket.com/albums/ww352/mc94xr7/th_ussontario.gif

[Pipeman]

Dave,

I talked to Dwayne (Service at Kenworth) and he says that now they are set for the 3 top gears.

He said that you have to disconnect a single wire (any one of them ) at the ECM plug under the dash and when the DOT plug in all they'll get is an error code. No info of any kind will be available until the wire is reconnected.

[bikerboy]

or hook 12 volts to a dummy ecm plug, and when MTO plugs in, it should fry their computer! hahaha

[mc94xr7]

or hook 12 volts to a dummy ecm plug, and when MTO plugs in, it should fry their computer! hahaha

lol:lmao[1]:

[Pipeman]

lol:lmao[1]:
Why not hook up 120 Volts thru an inverter and really give it a jolt.

[mc94xr7]

or you can rig up a coil to her. i blew my test light before like that.

[limeyphil]

we've had limiters in the UK for a long time. usually set between 50 and 56 mph.
I work for an irish company, so we would have them set at 60mph+. totally illegal as the tachograph would read 55mph even if you were doing 65mph.
anyway there are a few ways to knock the things off. it just depends weather you want the limiter off or the limiter and mileage off.
and it's a bad thing if you get caught.:36_21_5[1]:

[snafu]

Why not hook up 120 Volts thru an inverter and really give it a jolt.Good idea.

fastertruck.com for those looking for a way around the OTA bought and paid for bribery of Dalton and the Liberals idiocy...

[bikerboy]

fastertruck.com is a good idea, i already posted about it.
http://www.truckstopcanada.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=3067&highlight=speed

[Diseasel]

It scares me that the Gov't feels they need to limit the speed of the professionals and leave the non-professionals and in-experienced drivers to regulate their own speed. What exactly was the O.P.P.'s reason for not being able to enforce the existing speed limits? I realise that this was brought about by a some professionals acting unprofessionally but I fail to understand how exactly this is going to encourage this type of individual from driving like idiots, since this does nothing to modify behaviour, in fact, I believe this only encourages more outrageous and dangerous actions from these people as they are forced to interact more often with other vehicles all travelling the same speed. This is the result of commercial drivers not having adequate representation in Parliament, these people only listen to votes, call your M.P. to voice your opinion and remember who was on your side next Election.