Running Canada

[McGee]

Hi folks....we were interested in running Canada....I have looked and looked....does anyone have a link????

[hellcat_99]

McGee, you are coming for a dinner?

Holly :D

[buzzy]

What type of link are you looking for?


HOS? You have to run under the U.S ones as you are out of Texas.

Border?
Safety and Compliance?
Weather?

Routing around hellcat's house?

However, she is a great chef.

Otherwise check the"NEWBIE'S Forum" I've posted a few links there.

[hellcat_99]

Not nice Buzz ma, & I should be a great chef, I paid for my licence.

Holly

[McGee]

:D ...Thanks folks...I'll check the newbie form... :D ...lookin for info on authority....as we don't have Canada on our plates...can we permit in???...can we look for something out or do we have to load south of the border...personal documentation...which with the research I have done looks to be answered here...documentation on the load...laws on OD movement..or is it by providence(is that the correct terminolgy???),,,we will pass on the one offered at this time as we have a need to educate our selves instead of just by the seat of our britches....We don't carry a firearm or mace, or pepper spray...I do have an expandable baton from my copper days....when it's collaped it's bout 6" long...when it is expanded it is bout 18" long, steel with a knot on the end...bet they won't like that... :zzz: ...BUT we are interested in coming to see ya'll...most likely in the spring or summer...as we are from the south our trk is not really equiped for the extreme cold ...and neither are we...they just don't sell really warm clothes down here.. :rofl:

[McGee]

Pipeman....you have a PM.... :rofl: :rofl:

[Accremonious]

Welcome to the "better half" of North America, McGee! I do hope you get either permitted or running authority as it is a very good thing to expand our trade and our cultural experiences! I spent many enjoyable days over your side in the 15 years I crossbordered before retiring, but only 4 times to Texas! In regards information you requested, I can add a little that maybe of interest/help. If you have a dog or pet aboard make sure that the animal's vaccination shots are upto date plus carry the papers to prove it!
Another "rumour" type thing was that it is cheapest to register a truck in Saskatchewan but that the reciprocal rights with American States were more complete and better with Alberta registrations (right or wrong I don't know!).
Like you suspected, there are many individual regulations for each PROVINCE (not providence!) Being from Ont. but originally from Sask/Alta. there is one that jumps to mind is that spread axels were not allowed in Alta. You had to be able to slide them into closed position! Another which Pipeman will no doubt mention is that the marker board for highlighting the OD status is different in Canada! There needs to be a Geneva Convention on rules and signs that can cost you your profit or even business! I got fined for using American Hazmat placards that are more correct, specifing flammable-empty-not washed out in Ont. That was a money grab! Only flammable were allowed!
You will probably find out that while there are accent differences throughout Canada just like there are in the US, there are numerous word usage differences, too! We say pop not soda, and eh instead of huh or hah! This list would fill a small book so just think of it like your going to Northern Wisconsin/Minnesota and you will be close but not there! So enjoy it cousin when you get here. Summer is just as warm at times here but it cools off at night unless you are near a Lower Great Lake!
Reloads home are legal under the NAFTA treaty but look sharp at the rates! There is even a provision for one interstating load to get you closer to a load to transborder home but check that out first see if it is implemented or suspended! Good Luck.
P.S. Later,
I forgot to mention that we are Metricated up here. Think of the speed limits as a percentage of the clock hour! It becomes second nature to convert them mentally having grown up in the Imperial/US measure and now living in this imposed silly meters! That cost us people all lot of money that has never really paid off. Watch the metric weights, too! I won't get into the other area, of languages! You have enough Spanish elements in the South to understand our problems with French and the different dialects involved! Any discussions of this nature becomes political very quickly! Most everywhere you go you can find English spoken except certain parts of N. Ont through to New Brunswick. Also like Bookworm said change your money over as all business people suddenly forget how to do the math on exchange rates! And if you over tip in a restaurant, it annoys your fellow drivers from Canada! We have subtle discrimination up here so it pays to be observant!

[Accremonious]

I googled up the one service name I know and found this for you OK!
Also if you look in the Rand McNally Motor Carriers Atlas 2004 on Pages A18 and A19 there are the Canadian Provincial Government links listed as well.

International Registration Plan (IRP) Trip Permit Agents800-749-6058 Trip Permits. 800-749-7166 Oversize-Overweight Permits. 800-749-9114 ... 730 PERMIT SERVICES, INC. www.730permitservices.com. 2085 Shanley Road ...
www.bmv.ohio.gov/vehicle_registration/trip_permit_agents.htm - 77k - Cached - Similar pages

Apply for a permitMultiple trip. Apply for a permit. Forms/applications · Times of operation ... Permit service, Telephone number. 730 Permit Services, Inc. (800) 410-4754 ...
www.dot.wisconsin.gov/business/carriers/osow-apply.htm - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] SERVICES OFFERED BY THE OVERSIZE/OVERWEIGHT PERMITS UNITFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
There are five methods by which single trip permits may be obtained from the ... 5-Star Permits. (800) 355-8016. (919) 715-7364. 730 Permit Services, Inc. ...
www.ncdot.org/doh/Operations/dp_chief_eng/maintenance/permits/docs/ServicesOffered.pdf - Similar pages

Motor Carrier Transportation Registration Services1801 SW Highway 730 East, Umatilla OR 97882-0770 Call: 541-922-3761 ... All registrants that pay registration fees via registration trip permits must retain ...
www.oregon.gov/ODOT/MCT/REG.shtml - 65k - Cached - Similar pages

Motor Carrier Transportation Over-Dimension OperationsTo obtain a variance permit: See Permit Service & Agents ... Maximum weight for single-trip permits is based on the number of axles and wheelbase. ...
www.oregon.gov/ODOT/MCT/OD.shtml - 86k - Cached - Similar pages

730 Permit Services - Services730 Permit Services offering professional filing services to transport companies and ... We can also provide you with temporary trip permits if you are not ...
www.730permitservices.com/services.htm - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

Frequently Asked Trucking Questions - Department of TransportationThis permit can be obtained from the following Permit Agencies: 730 Permit Services 1-613-657-1244, Altrans 1-905-563-4545, B.i.M. Consulting 506-432-6840, ...
www.gnb.ca/0113/trucking/faq-trucking-e.asp - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

Hope this is a good start for your research, Ciao (Adios) for now!

[DoubleT]

This might come off as a smart ***ed answer...but would it be easier to drive,fly,take the train or bus then run Canada. :chase: :harhar:

[McGee]

:D .....Thank-you Accremonious....you are wonderful... [smilie=mylove.gif]

:wow: ...Double T...I'll just stuff my trk in a suitcase.... :wow:

[DoubleT]

McGee
If it fits then do it. :p

[Pipeman]

Pipeman....you have a PM.... :rofl: :rofl:


Please add more posteage as your PM hasn't come thru.

[Accremonious]

This story is unconfirmed, but the author sounded genuine. We were inside the main lobby/front desk area of Canada Customs, Ft. Erie, Ont. when the driver next to me commented that some months earlier he had approached this port with an OD load on multiple cantilevered trailers (I think it was a large electrical transformer). When he brought his paperwork back down from the brokers office a female CCI asked him to now back it up into a dock and untarp it. He tried to explain that this type of load does not back up and that the terms of transportation contract prohibit this load from being untarped outside in the open( for what ever reasons of warranty). She became verbally louder and bordered on threatening so he escalated in return and offered her the keys!!!! Before it got right out of control her supervisor came out of his office and wanted to know what was going on! As soon as he realized the nature of the situation another CCI was assigned to the entry and the want to be blond was sent elsewhere out of sight! Not all civil servants have knowledge and understanding of the nature of what you maybe doing and why! They are on a learning curve just like we all are! And we are about to give them firearms, too!

[ralph]

This story is unconfirmed, but the author sounded genuine. We were inside the main lobby/front desk area of Canada Customs, Ft. Erie, Ont. when the driver next to me commented that some months earlier he had approached this port with an OD load on multiple cantilevered trailers (I think it was a large electrical transformer). When he brought his paperwork back down from the brokers office a female CCI asked him to now back it up into a dock and untarp it. He tried to explain that this type of load does not back up and that the terms of transportation contract prohibit this load from being untarped outside in the open( for what ever reasons of warranty). !

Let's think about this for a moment...

1) Of course those trailers reverse...do you really believe that EVERY place they load/unload at has either a drive thru bay OR enough room to turn around!!! Think about it for more than a milli-second

2) Those schnabel trailers DON'T cross the Peace Bridge...they're too heavy! They cross at ports/crossings that are either dry land, ferry or that have structures that aren't pre-historic.

3) If Customs (either US or Canadian) wants to inspect the load they can and will. At best (and this is a big one) you MAY be able to get customs out to inspect it where it is unloaded...they typically are highly suspicious of doing this (go figure) and will deny the request.

Acc, your author/friend is full of shat...I don't know WHY you continue to post such crap/nonsense/myths yadda yadda yadda.

[Drifter]

Ralph, I don`t know about Acc`s post other than that weight would not be allowed over the peace bridge.
As far as untarping a load, when the imported steel embargo was on I had to back in and strip the sides on a load of lumber, seems they had caught an unscrupulous(sp) : carrier with undeclared steel plate on the floor with lumber on top.. :angry: Not a big issue with me pulled some straps and bungee cords satisfied him and I continued on. :classic:

[Accremonious]

Ignoring the inflammatory remarks for the moment, then why was there a rig of this description parked with a load tarped on it at the most southeasterly position next to the building, I don't know. Was it light enough for a bridge permit with all the weight distribution? And yes, I am aware of the powers and responsibilities of the Customs Branch. Given the geometry of that port's docks it still is not one that should be maneuvered into a dock, but arrangements for curbside inspection would be more normal. Next how can you import such a load into Ontario short of going to Quebec or Manitoba, well the huge natural gas compressor for the Blenheim field was loaded on a barge and floated across Lake Erie to a dock that could handle it.
Now there were a few items left out of the post to do with what was occurring in front of us at the front desk at the time! The bureaucracy in our Federal Civil Service frequently displays an attitude and lack of knowledge of the industry that they are dealing with. Another case similar yet different occurred at Sarnia. A tanker of hot liquid chemical which must not ever be exposed to air was detained by another dimwit to be sampled(Oxygen would deteriorate it). The chemical reports and papers clearly denoted that this product if opened to the air was spoiled and unusable. That CCI did just that, broke the seal and took a sample. Yours and my tax dollars paid for that load that was no longer acceptable, I was told by the driver that had gone through the problem. It is also Industries fault for not making special arrangements in advance for Customs to be a part of the scene at the delivery point. Most loads going to the auto assembly plants are inspected on and during assembly and afterwards by auditors that work daily on site in these plants.
The number of times I have picked up a part load and then was told that they don't do Customs Papers, thats your problem is more than I can count. Business people ignore the possibilities that this can trigger or don't know or care. Why should it be the truck drivers responsibility to qualify and clear your crap with Customs? Customs can and will if dared dcancel the right to import any product for a number of reasons, yet it becomes the drivers problem and he becomes the hostage!
Now regarding your other comments, thank you for explaining what I had suspicions about, and committing yourself, both in regards the veracity of the OD trucker who may have had a grudge against Customs and your view of the subjects in general. Does your mental telepathy work today? The message is in the mind!

[ralph]

Next how can you import such a load into Ontario short of going to Quebec or Manitoba,

http://www.truckferry.com/index.html

[Pipeman]

Haven't been over the peace in years but I recall hauling D8H dozers over the bridge on an Overweight permit and on only 5 axles.



One trip had to wait out on the Michigan side as the wind was high and the bridge had ice on it and was "Swaying".