GONE 6 DAYS and ............

[buzzy]

nothing has changed.

Since December 22, we've had:
another Canadian transport company shut down,
an american one strand 1400 drivers on the road,
travel security threatened again,
another Canadian soldier killed

and all that gets the most typing on here is whether or not CMF is going to allow unionized labour.

In a way, the 6 days of peace was restful.

How about taking five minutes and remembering a soldier who gave his life over christmas so you can debate union issues this holiday season.

[BlackIce]

nothing has changed.

Since December 22, we've had:
another Canadian transport company shut down,
an american one strand 1400 drivers on the road,
travel security threatened again,
another Canadian soldier killed

and all that gets the most typing on here is whether or not CMF is going to allow unionized labour.

In a way, the 6 days of peace was restful.

How about taking five minutes and remembering a soldier who gave his life over christmas so you can debate union issues this holiday season.How many or how often do you think soldiers take 5 minutes out to remember a truck driver who gave their life throughout the year.

My heartfelt condolences to that soldier's family but the soldier chose his career and just like a truck driver knew the potential risks involved.

[bikerboy]

this union posts has been one the of best threads here yet, i think anyway

[Gummiente]

How many or how often do you think soldiers take 5 minutes out to remember a truck driver who gave their life throughout the year.

My heartfelt condolences to that soldier's family but the soldier chose his career and just like a truck driver knew the potential risks involved.
A trucker does not deliver freight in an attempt to preserve the freedoms and/or protect the inalienable rights we enjoy as citizens of Canada. The "potential risks" between the two occupations are JUST a little bit different - if you don't understand that very basic concept, perhaps you should attend a Repat ceremony. It might just help pull your head out of your arse.

And yes, I am ex-military.

[BlackIce]

A trucker does not deliver freight in an attempt to preserve the freedoms and/or protect the inalienable rights we enjoy as citizens of Canada. The "potential risks" between the two occupations are JUST a little bit different - if you don't understand that very basic concept, perhaps you should attend a Repat ceremony. It might just help pull your head out of your arse.

And yes, I am ex-military.So that makes GI Joe somehow better than truck driver?

Forgive me but I can't recall Canada drafting or conscripting soldiers in to serve. All those who choose to go play GI Joe do so of their own free will and risk.

Repat ceremonies? :36_1_50[1]::36_1_50[1]::36_1_50[1]:

[Pipeman]

So that makes GI Joe somehow better than truck driver?

Forgive me but I can't recall Canada drafting or conscripting soldiers in to serve. All those who choose to go play GI Joe do so of their own free will and risk.

Repat ceremonies? :36_1_50[1]::36_1_50[1]::36_1_50[1]:So therefore you have no idea how many Canadian were drafted in the 1st and 2nd world wars.

[Gummiente]

So therefore you have no idea how many Canadian were drafted in the 1st and 2nd world wars.
Don't try to educate the ignorant, Pipes... it's the same thing as trying to mud wrestle with a pig.

[BlackIce]

So therefore you have no idea how many Canadian were drafted in the 1st and 2nd world wars.Mistake on my part.

Should have clarified the comment was reserved for this generation, present day soldiers and those who signed up in the past 40 years.

Obviously anyone conscripted to serve does so against their own free will and choice. They are the exception here.

[hellcat_99]

Thie thread is not going to turn out to be a mud fight.
There is no need for name calling CHILDREN.
All Buzzy was trying to say that some times we are over involved in our own live's & industry.
We need reminder's to thank ALL who do what they do to help keep us in a Country as great as CANADA is.
EVERYONE should be thankful for everyone who does something productive to enhance our country.
Carry on this discussion, but if I see any more CHIDLISH name calling or any other negative put down's, this thread will be locked.
Holly

[maan]

Maybe so but Union comments were also included in this thread & buzzy has also made comments on that topic before.

[Gummiente]

You're right, Holly, I should be more tolerant towards those who take their freedom for granted. My apologies and I will keep my patriotism to myself from now on.

[hellcat_99]

Oh for the love of GOD!!!!
I will deal with the Buzzy man.
You guy's post your feeling's without derogitive remark's to each other.
I have to go to work & deal with my men there today, so keep it on track, or you'll hear from me when I get back.( see how that rhymes?)
Stay safe & warm.
Holly:5_2_2[1]:

[hellcat_99]

You're right, Holly, I should be more tolerant towards those who take their freedom for granted. My apologies and I will keep my patriotism to myself from now on.


You said nothing wrong. It's just in the way some post with so much gusto.
Never loose what your Patriotism, as this is what make's our country great.
Hel$, my sil & daughter are in the Air force stationed in N.S.. It wasn't my choice for my daughter, as I was boen in Shilo,MB. on base. I was raised Army, I married Air Force. Just about all my aunt's & uncles were in the Forces. Without these people, we wouldn't have the country we have.
I'm very proud of my daughter & sil. I'm also very thankful that Jamie is back home safe & sound. Well, he was never very sound, but he is home.

All I want is for this not to turn into a fighting match.
That's what makes this board the best in CANADA.
Holly

[maan]

EVERYONE should be thankful for everyone who does something productive to enhance our country.
That can mean many opposing views to diff folks.

A quick trigger finger to the "ignorant & pig pen" argument speaks volumes.

[BlackIce]

That can mean many opposing views to diff folks.

A quick trigger finger to the "ignorant & pig pen" argument speaks volumes.You've got a good point there mann, I thought personal attacks weren't permitted.

Yet according to Hellcat, they said "nothing wrong".

Sounds like a definitive biased opinion to me.

[maan]

From what I've seen of modding on this site & I have no clue how they were selected, an overhaul or at least a rethink is in order.

[BlackIce]

From what I've seen of modding on this site & I have no clue how they were selected, an overhaul or at least a rethink is in order.Are there any moderators or administrators on this board who are currently employed as full time drivers?

Or is this board top heavy with all positions filled by administration, management types?

[maan]

You're right, Holly, I should be more tolerant towards those
.

Tolerance & patience is a virtue.

[maan]

Are there any moderators or administrators on this board who are currently employed as full time drivers?

Or is this board top heavy with all positions filled by administration, management types?

I only know Bikerboy as a full time driver ( & recent mod I think) and one admin who is a retired driver with toooooooooooooooooons of miles as a driver & O/O.

That's all I know as far as full time drivers go. There certainly does appear to be a few management types, plus more..

Having a strong firm position is not the same as an extreme position. I would question any one who expresses an extreme position being a mod. Not to mention the clear distinction some off us make between employee & employer.

[Paul]

nothing has changed.

Since December 22, we've had:
another Canadian transport company shut down,
an american one strand 1400 drivers on the road,
travel security threatened again,
another Canadian soldier killed

and all that gets the most typing on here is whether or not CMF is going to allow unionized labour.

In a way, the 6 days of peace was restful.

How about taking five minutes and remembering a soldier who gave his life over christmas so you can debate union issues this holiday season.

You guys should be happy that another company went out of business in the states. Thats 1400 less trucks that your company has to battle with to get freight. The facts are simple, there are more trucks then freight at the moment. A few more companies are gonna have to go. Accept it, this isnt grade one. The weak will crumble and the companies that know what they are doing will make it...same goes for drivers and owner operators.

As for the another soldier dying thats unfortunate for him and his family. However i didnt ask a single person to go and fight for ME. I DONT want anyone fighting for me. These guys chose the army for their own reasons, not to make our lives better. They made the decisions and now have to live with the consequences, dont look for sympathy from me.

"How about taking five minutes and remembering a soldier who gave his life over christmas so you can debate union issues this holiday season."

Kids in grade one dont even buy the above statement...

[maan]

I would agree the mod posted a loaded & inflammatory piece from the get go.

[BlackIce]

You guys should be happy that another company went out of business in the states. Thats 1400 less trucks that your company has to battle with to get freight. The facts are simple, there are more trucks then freight at the moment. A few more companies are gonna have to go. Accept it, this isnt grade one. The weak will crumble and the companies that know what they are doing will make it...same goes for drivers and owner operators.

As for the another soldier dying thats unfortunate for him and his family. However i didnt ask a single person to go and fight for ME. I DONT want anyone fighting for me. These guys chose the army for their own reasons, not to make our lives better. They made the decisions and now have to live with the consequences, dont look for sympathy from me.

"How about taking five minutes and remembering a soldier who gave his life over christmas so you can debate union issues this holiday season."

Kids in grade one dont even buy the above statement...:bravo::bravo:

[bikerboy]

Are there any moderators or administrators on this board who are currently employed as full time drivers?

Or is this board top heavy with all positions filled by administration, management types?

yes i am a driver and a mod, been here since this board started

and that mud wrestling a pig comment was close to a personal attack, but i don't think he was calling a poster a muddy pig, just meant he thought you will never win an argument

so i will leave it

[Gummiente]

but i don't think he was calling a poster a muddy pig, just meant he thought you will never win an argument
That is exactly what I meant. My "head out of the arse" comment admittedly could have been worded much nicer, but had I known there'd be such an outburst afterwards I wouldn't have posted it in the first place.

[maan]

The French do not shy away from speaking their minds.

[BlackIce]

That is exactly what I meant. My "head out of the arse" comment admittedly could have been worded much nicer, but had I known there'd be such a Drama Queen outburst afterwards I wouldn't have posted it in the first place.Would you agree that your posting this statement has done nothing but continue to throw back handed insults ?

[Gummiente]

Would you agree that your posting this statement has done nothing but continue to throw back handed insults ?
Would you agree that you are making mountains out of molehills and looking for the slightest provocation, whether real or imagined, simply to cause a disturbance?

[buzzy]

:camara::8_4_53[1]::moodswings::23_30_126[1]:

[Gummiente]

:camara::8_4_53[1]::moodswings::23_30_126[1]:
Jeez, you're kinda all over the map on that one, Buzzy... did ya smack the keyboard with an open hand or ...? :D

[bikerboy]

i agree there was no need for the drama queen comment, and it has been edited out.

[BlackIce]

:camara::8_4_53[1]::moodswings::23_30_126[1]:What do you expect?

Christmas is over, the bills are all now starting to come in and drivers have been away from the CB for a few days by now.

Plus some love to yank others chains :) :angle1:

[Gummiente]

i agree there was no need for the drama queen comment, and it should be edited out.
Just callin' them as I see 'em, but you gotta do whatever you gotta do as a Mod. No worries.

[maan]

Drama queen seems pretty benign to me, but does nothing to add to an argument.

I have no issues with this thread continuing ..at all.

[maan]

Gummiente - Do you know the French from Quebec at all?

[Gummiente]

Gummiente - Do you know the French from Quebec at all?
I was stationed at CFB Longue Pointe in Montreal for a year and spent the majority of my 15 years in the military working with French Canadians. Why?

[maan]

Just callin' them as I see 'em,

So is the other side of the coin. I don't think you are even trying to hear what they are saying. Keep in mind also that there can be a language barrier.

War vets can & disagree on Vietnam, There are plenty of folks who believe that Canada has no biz being in Afghanistan. There is a flip side to every position & argument.

[maan]

I was stationed at CFB Longue Pointe in Montreal for a year and spent the majority of my 15 years in the military working with French Canadians. Why? Ok, just curious I also have spent some time with them & speak the language. I understand where they are coming from on some of the issues they are speaking of though I don't necessarily agree.
.
You seem to be quite taken aback by what they are talking about & wasn't sure if you even know one.

[maan]

Ended up posting the first note above before reading your response.

[Gummiente]

You seem to be quite taken aback by what they are talking about & wasn't sure if you even know one.
Perhaps you could show me where it was clearly stated that "they" are French and might have a language issue, as I seem to have missed that particular post. Not that it would have any relevance for me, anyway - I deal with a person based on their individual character; so whatever their religion, race or cultural background happens to be matters not one bit in my world.

[maan]

Perhaps you could show me where it was clearly stated that "they" are French and might have a language issue, as I seem to have missed that particular post. .

Good point .. I need some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

EDIT - actually, there are some new folks here & I'm quite sure some are French but perhaps not in this thread, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[hellcat_99]

You've got a good point there mann, I thought personal attacks weren't permitted.

Yet according to Hellcat, they said "nothing wrong".

Sounds like a definitive biased opinion to me.

Don't take my word's out of context!
I don't agree with the name calling!!!!!! This is a child's game.
I don't play game's when it come's to knocking down another person.
WE ALL have our opinion's, but there is a proper way to express them.
If anyone has any further question's, send me a message & I'll give you my phone # so we can chat.
Get this topic back on track, or it will be closed.
Holly

[hellcat_99]

I would agree the mod posted a loaded & inflammatory piece from the get go.
You are correct Mann, & yes I did speak Buzzy later that day.
Holly

[hellcat_99]

Are there any moderators or administrators on this board who are currently employed as full time drivers?

Or is this board top heavy with all positions filled by administration, management types?

Harry, who own's the board, does still run.
I'm dispatching, as I'm off the rd now.
The other's can tell you what they do if they so feel to do so.

Even if some of us are off the rd now, but still try to do what we can to fix what we can from the experience we haved gained.
To me, this is the best industry there is. Everything revolve's around us.
The one thing I want to get out to the public, is that if it weren't for the DRIVER's, they public would be S.O.O.L.
Holly

[hellcat_99]

Tolerance & patience is a virtue.


I know, I'm short of Virtue's. I'm old.:devil[1]:
Holly

[maan]

the one thing i want to get out to the public, is that if it weren't for the driver's, they public would be s.o.o.l.
Holly Big Time!!! ............................

[1-800-bigtruck]

I didn't see anything wrong with the original post to this thread , I think it was just taken out of context .

[hellcat_99]

I didn't see anything wrong with the original post to this thread , I think it was just taken out of context .

I'm a sencative & fragile woman:36_21_5[1]: & I'm old.
The yelling hrut's me ear's.:36_1_7[1]:
Holly

[maan]

Didn't seem like a big deal to me & you may feel that your words were taken out of context but I also read it the way Blackice did.

For me, the discussion has barely begun.

Sure, we have to have rules, but alota stuff falls under ~ you don't like what you're reading then don't.

Imo, the rules here need to be addressed openly whether in this thread or another.

For example no one has addressed questions asked of words used in these forums that still stand like ~ "Bramladesh (also used by a mod), Miltistan & paki 500? My position is at the very least, they are slurs & I can point to links. They are certainly unacceptable to use openly in my workplace.

And watch out if someone makes an issue of it.

[maan]

And here is what you have to say. " I don't play game's when it come's to knocking down another person."

Don't take my word's out of context!
I don't agree with the name calling!!!!!! This is a child's game.
I don't play game's when it come's to knocking down another person.
WE ALL have our opinion's, but there is a proper way to express them.
If anyone has any further question's, send me a message & I'll give you my phone # so we can chat.
Get this topic back on track, or it will be closed.
Holly

[Mr Bee]

A trucker does not deliver freight in an attempt to preserve the freedoms and/or protect the inalienable rights we enjoy as citizens of Canada. The "potential risks" between the two occupations are JUST a little bit different - if you don't understand that very basic concept, perhaps you should attend a Repat ceremony. It might just help pull your head out of your arse.

And yes, I am ex-military.
Ditto, Ditto. And don't forget to thank a soldier, because we are able to read this, and, read it in English.

[hellcat_99]

Didn't seem like a big deal to me & you may feel that your words were taken out of context but I also read it the way Blackice did.

For me, the discussion has barely begun.

Sure, we have to have rules, but alota stuff falls under ~ you don't like what you're reading then don't.

Imo, the rules here need to be addressed openly whether in this thread or another.

For example no one has addressed questions asked of words used in these forums that still stand like ~ "Bramladesh (also used by a mod), Miltistan & paki 500? My position is at the very least, they are slurs & I can point to links. They are certainly unacceptable to use openly in my workplace.

And watch out if someone makes an issue of it.

I try to head off any problem's that could arise. I'll try to take you opinion, & not jump as quickly, but the name calling is totally unacceptable.

Good point on addressing the problem if all want to, but it too has to be done with respect for other's.
I will ask the other mod's
Holly

[Drifter]

Maan, I think I used those terms in the past, but I am not politically correct, typing or talking and never will be. My Canada is still free.

Yes all large trucking companys should be unionized including Challenger.
Not bad eh Holly a statement and back on topic

[hellcat_99]

Maan, I think I used those terms in the past, but I am not politically correct, typing or talking and never will be. My Canada is still free.

Yes all large trucking companys should be unionized including Challenger.
Not bad eh Holly a statement and back on topic
[smilie=kiss of lov::barmaid::18_1_35[1]:

[buzzy]

Maybe so but Union comments were also included in this thread & buzzy has also made comments on that topic before.

They were made in context with other news events going on at the time.

I have a daughter in the air force, I had a son left disabled thanks to Bosnia. Other members of this board have children involved with the military.

The original post was meant as a heads up to other events going on in the world.

There are other pressing events going on with the industry I did not include.
In 2010 Safety Ratings are being revamped. More of the onus of a company CVOR will be placed on driver performance.

ALL companies will have to get stricter with training, driver review and driver policies or their authorities will be revoked. Hiring procedures will be reassessed and become stricter.

A simple warning at a scale, still shows up as a defect on the CVOR report. A collision where the third party is deemed "at fault" still shows up on the company record and 1 point assessed because Law Enforcement was called out.

In Ontario: a no-seat belt fine increased to $245. Failing to stop for a taffic control device increased to $310 and 6 points.

POINT BEING: There are more issues that need to be discussed or simply presented to members of this board than the internal problems of one company.

[buzzy]

Again this thread veered off topic and came back. The evidence to this came during my absence when an original post was correctly made to the Roundtable forum and it got political and one of the other moderators chose to move the entire thread to the Political forum rather than shut it down.

If it veers again it will be shut down.

[maan]

Maan, I think I used those terms in the past, but I am not politically correct, typing or talking and never will be. My Canada is still free.


I think you are alluding to freedom of speech & perhaps you have more to say about it..
nevertheless, one of the funniest things I ever saw was George W jr one day said something on live TV & used "pa*i" for short .. He had no clue what it was about.. (What?! ..did I say something) :rofl2[1]:& it blew over pretty quick,

For me, it's no diff using publicaly than the N word. Then there's, some who think it's no big deal to say among themselves & not even a big deal if you are a honkie in ..ahem, good standing. Then the N..a word & worse is all over the place in songs..

There's is a flip side to all things.. lotsa scenarios out there..

Bottom line is you can be taken to task for using the words discussed publicly & there's no defense to it that I'm aware of 'cept apologies & acknowledging a mistake not to be repeated. Management is required to act on a complaint, the worker affected can also walk off the job straight to the Human rights folks who don't play games.

Someone could probably even get them involved or interested in regards to this site because it is a ledjit site with names behind it.

[Pipeman]

The French do not shy away from speaking their minds.Ah bien non tabernacle !!!!

lol

[Pipeman]

I'm a sencative & fragile woman:36_21_5[1]: & I'm old.
The yelling hrut's me ear's.:36_1_7[1]:
Holly

At your age it's a good thing you can read because you've lost your hearing. LOL

[Pipeman]

A simple warning at a scale, still shows up as a defect on the CVOR report. A collision where the third party is deemed "at fault" still shows up on the company record and 1 point assessed because Law Enforcement was called out.



However, it's up to the carrier to file about 17 pages as to why the points should come off his Profile.



Collision Evaluation Process
The number of collisions a carrier has and the severity of the event (property damage, injury or fatality) are considered under Carrier Services’ monitoring program. When a carrier is involved in a reportable collision, an enforcement officer completes a Collision Report Form. Information from this report is transferred to the carrier’s profile and considered when determining the carrier’s safety fitness rating.

Carrier Services does not want to consider a collision under its monitoring program that was “non-preventable” by the carrier or their driver. A collision evaluation process has been implemented which provides the carrier the opportunity to have collisions evaluated for preventability. While a person may apply to have a collision evaluated at any time, carriers on Carrier Services’ R-Factor monitoring report will be encouraged to submit applications immediately.

The collision evaluation process includes the following steps:
Revised: December 01, 2009 Alberta Transportation Page 16
1. The carrier submits a complete collision evaluation form.

2. The form and supporting documents are sent to Alberta Motor Transport Association, (AMTA) where they are reviewed. If an evaluation committee meeting is scheduled, trained industry personnel will be used to review the application and evaluate the collision for preventability. Driver and, where possible, carrier information will be removed prior to the evaluation committee reviewing the application.

3. Upon completion of the review, the AMTA administrator will supply Carrier Services with a recommendation on preventability. AMTA will charge an administrative fee for all collision evaluations that are reviewed by an evaluation committee.

4. Based on all the information collected, the Registrar shall decide if the collision was preventable.

5. Where a collision has been evaluated, the carrier’s profile will be adjusted to reflect the Registrar’s decision on preventability. Collisions found to be non-preventable will not be used in determining a carrier's safety fitness rating.

For more information about the collision evaluation process or to obtain a Collision Evaluation form, visit our website at www.transportation.alberta.ca/656.htm
Carriers are encouraged to set up an internal collision evaluation process within their operation. Determining what contributed to causing a collision and then taking corrective action, is key in reducing future incidents.

[Pipeman]

Here's the Form:
http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/Content/docType276/Production/collevalappl.pdf

[hellcat_99]

At your age it's a good thing you can read because you've lost your hearing. LOL


Oh you are a smart mouth, but still older then I am.:nenernener:
:barmaid:Holly

[MHL1965]

You guys should be happy that another company went out of business in the states. Thats 1400 less trucks that your company has to battle with to get freight. The facts are simple, there are more trucks then freight at the moment. A few more companies are gonna have to go. Accept it, this isnt grade one. The weak will crumble and the companies that know what they are doing will make it...same goes for drivers and owner operators.

As for the another soldier dying thats unfortunate for him and his family. However i didnt ask a single person to go and fight for ME. I DONT want anyone fighting for me. These guys chose the army for their own reasons, not to make our lives better. They made the decisions and now have to live with the consequences, dont look for sympathy from me.

"How about taking five minutes and remembering a soldier who gave his life over christmas so you can debate union issues this holiday season."

Kids in grade one dont even buy the above statement...


I jumped onto this board later than a lot of you, but nothing got my blood boiling more than that this post.

It is simple. We don't volunteer for a cause greater than our own knowing we might die. We risk our lives driving trucks because the risk is not THAT great, and they pay us enough to do what we like and earn a good living. The soldiers are not in it for the money, they are doing it because the believe in what the job stands for, what our nation stands for, and they are willing to DIE to give you the freedom to be wrong.

You say you didn't ask them and you don't want them to do it? Great attitude, I am sure if everyone thought like that in 39, we might be speaking German and wondering what a Jew was.

This attitude is born out of complacency and a lack of respect for the whole reason countries are sovereign. They are free because someone is willing to DIE to keep it that way....

[maan]

Good bet there's more to the story & what you are reading is a taste of what some Unions are about ..plus more. Bottom line is many would totally disagree with you.

Are you up on Syd the current OFL prez?

EDIT -At any rate, this thread was started before there were changes in these forums. The Union stuff goes to the Union section if you'd like to continue with a new topic there & perhaps link it to here.