construction and the union

[TaterSalad]

Dufferin Concrete at Bethridge and Martingrove in Etobicoke is looking for Ready-Mix drivers.Good money I bet along with Bennies!

[ralph]

Dufferin Concrete at Bethridge and Martingrove in Etobicoke is looking for Ready-Mix drivers.Good money I bet along with Bennies!

Dufferin is union again none of that $17.00 an hour crap.

The Dufferin yard in my area does NOT work weekends either!

[bikerboy]

what do u think dufferin pays? how many hours a week? do u still get work on rain days or get sent home?

[Pipeman]

what do u think dufferin pays? how many hours a week? do u still get work on rain days or get sent home?Over $17.00 an hour, I'm sure.

[bikerboy]

ya likely, i find it rather funny how so many on are against unions in OTR trucking, but think its the best thing ever for concrete??

but ya it does sound good, i might look into some union companies if everyone says they are so great.

[Pipeman]

ya likely, i find it rather funny how so many on are against unions in OTR trucking, but think its the best thing ever for concrete??

but ya it does sound good, i might look into some union companies if everyone says they are so great.

Never work for a union outfit if you can't stand a little prosperity.

[bikerboy]

i have no problem with prosperity, but it is nice too know people such as you do like unions, seems many on here are totally against them, and so many carriers are against them.

i have worked union at one time and it did pay well, but glad i never stayed, would have been laid off by now anyway.

[Mercenary]

Yea...most guys against unions seem to be against making money too!!:crazy::Trucker:

[Pipeman]

I have owned and operated 2 Union Certified trucking companies and with that certification it allowed me to work on pipeline all over North America.

When the Alaska pipeline was built, I had 22 trucks working on it.

You have to be Union in order to work for the major pipeline contractors in North America.

[bikerboy]

its really too bad their are not more OTR shippers/recievers who can only use union carriers to haul the freight, or more union construction companies who will only use union contractors.

then everyone would be equal and paid good

[ralph]

its really too bad their are not more OTR shippers/recievers who can only use union carriers to haul the freight, or more union construction companies who will only use union contractors.


Go to any big construction site...all union contractors for one reason...when they need more men they make a call to the local hall and tradesmen appear, A non-union contractor can not do that or have a snowball's chance in hell in making it happen..

[bikerboy]

Go to any big construction site...all union contractors for one reason...when they need more men they make a call to the local hall and tradesmen appear, A non-union contractor can not do that or have a snowball's chance in hell in making it happen..

that is true, but there is still contractors doing commercial building and earth moving services who are not union, so you can't say all of them are.

and even some of the union contractors will still hire non union trucks

a non union contractor can underbid union ones, and stay very busy

[ralph]

that is true, but there is still contractors doing commercial building and earth moving services who are not union, so you can't say all of them are.

and even some of the union contractors will still hire non union trucks

a non union contractor can underbid union ones, and stay very busy

Come south where the BIG construction is BB, you will see how it's done. Big jobs=union contractors. Of course they let the non-union trucks on-site, small potatoes. They allow myself on site too so your point makes no sense. I'm sure the broads driving the coffee trucks aren't Teamsters!

Toyota Woodstock was all union contractors. New RIM buildings in Waterloo...all union contractors. Do you think this is happening because Toyota and RIM are union supporters?

ps You had better cut and seperate this to the other forum or you will lose your magic wand BB!

[bikerboy]

disregard ralphs message about moving to another forum, i just moved it

[bikerboy]

i never said force it on carriers and contractors, i said too bad more didn't make the choice to go union, sometimes the company owners actually like the idea, and it would be great if more did

[1-800-bigtruck]

Theres a construction co. in this area , 3rd generation, well known and reputable , but rumor has it that they would close up shop if there was any union rumblings going on . Now I don't believe for a minute that they would do that as they are now to big , but they may sell out ,who knows .
They don't pay overly well but is a good place to work ,they have co.paid benifits and a pension plan and paid sick days ect., just like a union shop and almost every one returns year after year, if it wasn't for being laid off every winter , I might even put some thought into working there ,

[bikerboy]

i have heard the same thing about other local companies, they refuse to let a union in, and all the employees know it and won't risk trying.
i think one place actually did get a union for a little while, but it didn't last long before the owners got that stopped.

[ralph]

i have heard the same thing about other local companies, they refuse to let a union in, and all the employees know it and won't risk trying.
i think one place actually did get a union for a little while, but it didn't last long before the owners got that stopped.

BB, the employer has NO say as to whether the employees unionize. It is something the employees bring forward and when the majority want it/sign cards then it happens. When it does ownership can do little but negotiate with the union/negotiating commitee. Ownership can not stop the employees from forming a union, nor can they stop it once it happens.

[bikerboy]

they can still talk the employees out of it or scare them out of it, exactly what challenger is trying to do

[liner]

they can still talk the employees out of it or scare them out of it, exactly what challenger is trying to do

And just what evidence would you have to support that statement about CMF???

[Pipeman]

And just what evidence would you have to support that statement about CMF???BB overheard it when having coffee at a truckstop counter. lol

[bikerboy]

And just what evidence would you have to support that statement about CMF???


Organizing Campaign at Challenger Motor Freight: response to the letter entitled Your right to know – your right to choose

12-10-2009
EST
On December 1st, your employer sent you a letter entitled Your right to know – your right to choose. We read this letter very carefully and noticed that your employer omitted a number of very important details that will help you make your decision about whether or not to join the Teamsters Union.
http://www.teamsters.ca/en/news/1326/organizing_campaign_at_challenger_motor_freight-response_to_the



sounds like a letter was sent out trying to talk employees out of it

[1-800-bigtruck]

I don't know a lot about cmf but I would think that with all the bumps and hurdles that the owner must have had over the years to build a small co. into the corporation that he has now , a union would be small potatoes .
Heck, he could be sitting back and thinking to himself ,bring it ,

[bikerboy]

i don't want the topic to switch to CMF, i was just using them as a comparison,that an employer can try to talk employees out of it

[liner]

http://www.teamsters.ca/en/news/1326/organizing_campaign_at_challenger_motor_freight-response_to_the



sounds like a letter was sent out trying to talk employees out of it

I have a copy of that letter and there is nothing in there to try and scare or talk people out of joining.It was simply a letter sent out to employees in response to the information put out by the teamsters so that drivers had both sides of the story.Now it's up to the drivers to decide who to believe.

[1-800-bigtruck]

i don't want the topic to switch to CMF, i was just using them as a comparison,

OK , and I would also think the same for a lot of co. owners . there are a lot of union places that pay really poor and have little or no benifits .
The last place I worked liked the union, once in a production meeting, the plant manager had mentioned that he knew exactly what his labour costs are to run the plant , because of the union. The union also worked with the co. to save a plant from closing by shifting work ect.
did I metion the pay was really good there with all the perks :dont_know::duh2[1]::idea:

[coolcountrycowboy]

First of all, I want to make sure everybody knows that I'm not pro or anti union, but BB was right about co can go far to scare their employees from the union.

One of the biggest co on earth, you know who I'm talking about, close it's retail store in Saguenay Qc, because the employee s went union.

Of course the official reason is they went suddenly low in profit (yeah right...)

But in the same time, another retail store in St-Hyacinthe Qc, was about to sign their card, and because of the Saguenay story, the employees backed up.

That being said, there is no worst place to work than a place in that situation.

I once work at a place non-union for two years and that was quite cool.
The co grew up quickly and have to open a second shift. It was still good but not as much. Then they had to open a third shift to supply the demand. Now it was not fun anymore.

At first, on thursday, we were a large group at the bar to talk and have fun.
After they open the third shift, some were talking union and it went bad.
Peoples start fighting (sometime for real...)
After a little while, we were happy to be 5 or 6 at the bar on thursday.
And I'm saving you the atmosphere at work.

So for me, If there's union, good. If there's not, good. In between, never good.

I feel sorry for the guys at cmf.

[TaterSalad]

Construction company I once worked for had 40 Dump trucks at one time,drivers talked of getting the union in owner turned around and sold all 40 trucks once he heard of this and laid off the drivers.He had just 8 trucks when I was there and no union for the drivers only the labourers had union representation.