Challenger Motor Frieght.(Part 2)

[liner]

It was explained several times by several moderators the reasons for locking the Challenger thread,and it had nothing to do with protecting Challenger's image or CENSORSHIP!!It was also stated that we were free to start another Challenger thread,so instead of listening to people whine about why it was locked,here you go.Challenger part 2!!! Have at it!!

[liner]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ratfink View Post
You dont like me because your friend liner is convinced I started the union a CMF.
BS he dosnt know squat!


Hey Ratfink...I never once said you were one of the union organizers at CMF.Get your facts straight buddy!!

Oh and also............I won't mention any names,but what I do find kinda funny is how one of the pro union guys from PQ that made a lot of noise on this site is no longer with CMF.Maybe SLH can keep him happy...doubt it though because I don't believe they are union over there either...not yet anyway LOL.Maybe he can take his pro union BS with him over to SLH.I guess he finally realized he was kicking a dead horse with all his union crap at CMF.

Also I don't believe that %80 of drivers were unionized 20 years ago,in fact I don't believe there was ever a time when %80 of drivers were union.You mentioned Maislin....good example,where are they now???

[ratfink]

What's going on paul? getting lonely? you have to cut and paste posts from another thread to get a discussion with ....yourself?

[liner]

LOL...no I just though I'd bring it over here where it belongs before people start getting upset again.(I have been known to talk to myself on occasions)

[buzzy]

As long as the talk doesn't turn into an argument and you lose, you'll be ok.

[ratfink]

Dont worry about it Buzzy, he's got a lot of material he can cut and paste,
he's doing fine by himself.

[mc94xr7]

ya we need to just debate facts with facts. no name calling

[mc94xr7]

well.... one of our good drivers left our unionized company to drive with the non unionized challenger motor freight.

[liner]

well.... one of our good drivers left our unionized company to drive with the non unionized challenger motor freight.


Now that's funny.:lmao[1]::lmao[1]:

[Mercenary]

You anti-union guys can laugh all you want but it seems to me like you are afraid to make money....or specifically make as much as you are entitled to.

You mentioned that you made enough to be comfortable at retirement due to your sound financial planning and that is all well and good but you certainly would have been far better off had you had the union backing you.

Sure there is alot of BS on both sides when companies and unions get involved but you'd get that wherever you work, not just in union outfits.

OTR got away from unions and look what happened....the whole industry went to ****.

I'd rather live the good life today and have a healthy retirement pension for the golden years.

[mc94xr7]

You anti-union guys can laugh all you want but it seems to me like you are afraid to make money....or specifically make as much as you are entitled to.

I'd rather live the good life today and have a healthy retirement pension for the golden years.
http://www.truckstopcanada.ca/forum/images/smilies/lmao%5B1%5D.gifhttp://www.truckstopcanada.ca/forum/images/smilies/lmao%5B1%5D.gifP.M. me. we are looking for guys who want to drive long haul. we start you at $0.31 a mile!!!!! plus dont forget to pay your Union dues.:1hi5:

I Needed a good laugh. thank so much but we ar hiring in Brampton.

[mc94xr7]

Now that's funny.:lmao[1]::lmao[1]:
ya he was one our otr trainers. but guess who got promoted to an otr trainer:36_1_24[1]:

[liner]

You mentioned that you made enough to be comfortable at retirement due to your sound financial planning and that is all well and good but you certainly would have been far better off had you had the union backing you.


If that were true I would have joined a union years ago!

Tell that to the thousands of teamsters on the unemployment line... because all these union company's are no longer around.I also followed your job search blog and I don't recall the union jobs working out that great for you.

[Mercenary]

It was one union job that didn't work out and that was because the company closed down. How many non-union outfits have shut down over the last few years hmmm?

mc94xr7: I won't tell you what the new job pays because you'd likely be crying in your beer once you found out.....

If it stays healthy then I think I can look forward to more than a 'comfortable' retirement....but that is a few years away yet.

Good luck living on peanuts there guys. If you want a job that pays well then look me up....

[liner]

It was one union job that didn't work out and that was because the company closed down. How many non-union outfits have shut down over the last few years hmmm?

mc94xr7: I won't tell you what the new job pays because you'd likely be crying in your beer once you found out.....

If it stays healthy then I think I can look forward to more than a 'comfortable' retirement....but that is a few years away yet.

Good luck living on peanuts there guys. If you want a job that pays well then look me up....


Boy Merc...I hope it all works out for you but considering you just landed your $27 hr job after being unemployed for so long I wouldn't be getting so cocky just yet.

[Mercenary]

Liner: You're right...I shouldn't be so cocky. The problem I see is that I know that these jobs exist. There are more than a few jobs out there paying good money and yet folks seem to wallow around in the basement complaining that they just aren't making any money in OTR anymore. Its like they enjoy working for scrap wages.

I can understand working at reduced rates in order to gain valuable experience. Everyone has to start out somewhere and sometimes you have to take what you can get....but once you have 2 years....four...six....WHY are you hanging around for garbage money?

Its like some people think that 'Gee....I'm only a lowly trucker....this is all I am worth....' That is such a load of BS it isn't funny anymore...

I know everyone's circumstances are different. If you are happy making the wage you make then all the power to you Brother! However...when a newb...and I am a newb... can find a great job paying a great wage.....what does that tell you?

Its sad.....all these great drivers out there working for peanuts does nothing but piss me off. Companies take more and more from the pockets of the honest men and women doing one of the most important jobs out there....and people bend over and take it.....

[liner]

I can understand working at reduced rates in order to gain valuable experience. Everyone has to start out somewhere and sometimes you have to take what you can get....but once you have 2 years....four...six....WHY are you hanging around for garbage money?

....

That's a big part of the problem.It won't matter how many years experience a guy has, as long as there are people willing to work for reduced wages,drivers and trucking company's included, things will never change.

Hey...you should update your profile since your no longer an unemployed bum.LOL

[Mule Bleue]

That's a big part of the problem.It won't matter how many years experience a guy has, as long as there are people willing to work for reduced wages,drivers and trucking company's included, things will never change.

Hey...you should update your profile since your no longer an unemployed bum.LOL

You think all compagny that have Union shut down!!! Wow, what about Robert transport; big player an they Union wall to wall an also Uniuon have save their ass by investing into Groupe Robert Transport via "Le Fonds De Solidarité De La FTQ", Union have also invest in some other Trans-Force compagny an they all still alive an i do think that they all have good working conditions an PENSION FUND. OK

[liner]

You think all compagny that have Union shut down!!! Wow, what about Robert transport; big player an they Union wall to wall an also Uniuon have save their ass by investing into Groupe Robert Transport via "Le Fonds De Solidarité De La FTQ", Union have also invest in some other Trans-Force compagny an they all still alive an i do think that they all have good working conditions an PENSION FUND. OK

Oh silly me...and here I thought the teamsters were all about helping the "poor put upon held down by the man truck driver"!Now you tell me that they are really just a "big business" that invests all those union dues in trucking company's in order to fatten their wallets.Please say it ain't so!:duh2[1]:

Lets see if I've got this right.
Trans-force buys a union company and within 6 months shuts them down to get rid of the teamsters and improve profits for Trans-force.
Mean while the big unions have been investing money in Trans-force to fatten the unions wallet.
Now that's funny because even the unions understand that Trans-force will be a better investment for them if the union is out. Wow...talk about a double standard!!Better not let all those out of work former Trans-force teamsters find this out.

[Mule Bleue]

Liner you do understand what you want to I guess, or I don't express myself correctly; Union invest in some of the Trans-Force division, the one that have union, hope that's clear enough. An by doing so they do save jobs, not only unionized job but also the others peoples who work in office . So union to have a financial power by doing so, sure you don't like that, but it protect Union Members job an also investement. Not bad hein!!!

[Mercenary]

Well Dave, I don't know which pension fund you are talking about because my old pension fund would wipe the floor with any self directed fund out there. Top it off with the tax deductible union dues and....my gawd it was a lot of money a month. No BS here and I know it was only one union fund we are talking about but geez, I would have to put away a grand a month to even come close to the pension I was headed towards.....

I guess its all moot as that place doesn't exist anymore:36_1_4[1]:

Now if I could have socked away a grand a month AND still had the pension......

Sigh......

I will still have some money coming from the pension fund when I retire...which considering I was only there for 4 and a half years isn't all that bad....

Oh well....no use dwelling on the past. All I can do is look forward to the future and get all my ducks in a row for when I do pull the plug....

Oh, and to keep it on topic....I'd go work for Challenger in a heart beat. Yep. Give up my big dollar job in the patch to work for a highway outfit. I know it sounds like I am contradicting myself but I know these high dollar trucking jobs are out there and I can get one if I set my focus on it. What I haven't managed to do is to get hired on to a highway company which is still apart of the whole appeal of trucking to me. Getting paid to see the countryside. I THINK Challenger is one of the better ones out there but I haven't worked there so it is all speculation on my part. If Challenger goes union...well I can support that. If it doesn't then I can support that too....

I try to take pride in my job and I know I can bend to work in any environment. If it gets too bad and there is too much to deal with then I know I can move on down the road and hopefully come out of it with at least a good reference.....

[mc94xr7]

i keep trying to tell you guys: If you want a cushy union truck driving job with great benefits and pension, p.m. me. still no one pmed me? was it ome thing i said? c'mon. TEAMSTERS!!!!!:23_28_124[1]:

[liner]

05/10/2010
Union claims fleet 'scaring' drivers from organizing, but is it?
05/10/2010


LAVAL, Que. -- The Teamsters allege that management at Challenger Motor Freight is trying to scuttle a union drive at the carrier's Dorval, Que. terminal.

The union claims that "letters were posted behind the glass of a locked billboard … to impliedly (sic) threaten the workers with reprisals if they choose to join a union."

Teamsters Canada says it wants the letters removed and has filed a complaint with the Canada Industrial Relations Board (CIRB).

"Challenger violates paragraph 94(1) of the Canada Labour Code by threatening workers with sanctions if they take part in legitimate and legal union activities and interferes with the Teamsters’ organizing campaign and administration of affairs," the union states in a press release.

"Challenger’s management is panicking and is desperately trying to discourage the workers from joining the Teamsters," says Teamsters President Robert Bouvier. "It’s an old tactic used to scare workers."

That appears quite open to interpretation, though.

The Teamsters' press release does not provide specific details of the company's comments, but an image of the letter was sent upon request to todaystrucking.com by a union official.

What the posted staff notice actually says is that the carrier continues to receive complaints from employees who say they've been contacted at home by a union representative and they demand to know "how the union got their name and telephone number."

The letter, signed by Challenger President Dan Einwechter, goes on to assure employees that any such information obtained by the union is not coming from the company and "will never be shared with an outside party" without permission.

Citing privacy concerns, the letter demands that those who are distributing confidential employee information "cease this practice immediately." And unauthorized distribution of personal or company information "will result in disciplinary action," including possibly termination.

As todaystrucking.com first reported last December, the Teamsters launched a campaign to organize group drivers and owner-operators at Challenger Motor Freight, Elgin Motor Freight, and Lodwick Transport.

Non-monetary and work organization clauses are said to be at the heart of the issue, such as "forced dispatch, seniority (issues), and switch (shifts)."

The union has spent the last several months selling itself to Challenger drivers nation-wide, and a handful of owner-operators, who are also being targeted.

Einwechter strongly denies the majority of workers and drivers are unhappy with the company; he says the union drive is being fueled by the actions of a disgruntled "few."

Anecdotally, there could be some truth to that. Private email exchanges with TT.com editors and casual conversations with a couple of Challenger drivers at the Truck World show in Toronto in April indicate that there are likely plenty of workers who don't want to be part of the union.

That's not how the Teamsters see it though. Instead, it claims the company's alleged intimidation of workers violates employees' "right to freedom of expression" and "serves only to add fuel to the fire and will surely impact how Challenger workers perceive their employer."

To send its own "message to workers," the union recently parked a tractor-trailer, with bumper-to-tailgate Teamster Canada graphics, in the front of the company’s head office in Cambridge, Ont.

The CIRB is expected to render its decision in the coming weeks.



These clowns are still wasting their time trying to organize drivers that want nothing to do with them.What a pathetic group these teamsters are.Things don't go their way so they whine and cry about it....they sound like a bunch of truck drivers!Get a clue...your not wanted or needed at CMF. I have yet to talk to one driver that signed a union card.:laugh1:

I'm not sure where they parked their big old Teamster truck in front of the Cambridge Head Office,because I sure never saw it.They would have had to park on the street so I imagine they were run off rather quickly by the local police.

[liner]

"Challenger’s management is panicking and is desperately trying to discourage the workers from joining the Teamsters," says Teamsters President Robert Bouvier. "It’s an old tactic used to scare workers."

I think it will take a lot more than a few clowns in the teamsters to panic management at CMF.This bunch has had no luck organizing the drivers so they had to come up with something to get their name back in the news.I have to give the drivers credit for seeing this pathetic organization for what it really is,and send them packing.

Looks like the teamsters are now in panic mode since they had little success in trying to "scare"drivers into joining their useless organization.

[liner]

Just got off the phone with the wife and I guess we received some more important information from the Teamsters in our mailbox again today.At least it wasn't the same old crap they sent last time.
Hate to tell you this Robert Bouvier ,but your wasting your time sending your crap to me.
:lmao[1]:
Hmmm ...I wonder how they got my name....??? Ratfink..Mule Bleue....you guys behaving out there?? :dont_know:

[buzzy]

I'd be dropping any unsolicited mail back in a mail box with "Return To Sender" written across the front. Let them pay the return postage!

[liner]

I'd be dropping any unsolicited mail back in a mail box with "Return To Sender" written across the front. Let them pay the return postage!

Good idea!!

[ratfink]

I told time and time again, I'm not part of this.

By the way, look up the Canada411,, youre easy to find.

[liner]

I told time and time again, I'm not part of this.

By the way, look up the Canada411,, youre easy to find.

Canada 411 is useless without a name or phone number!

[ratfink]

lets see mr liner,

anybody from the company can get youre name, youre easy to spot, (long wheelbase remember???) all they need is a truck number and tadaaaaa

Question: "hey who's this guy with the long Pete???"

Answer: " oh thats Paul_ _ _ he's been here a while"

you had the pics from youre truck for a while.
all anybody had to do is to click on the pic, search a bit for it and tadaaaaaa, mr Paul _ _ _ from _ _ _ Ont. appears.
then run it thru canada 4111 and tadaaaaa again.
hey I'll bet you can even see youre house with that adress using google earth, I did find my house, pretty neat.

But like I said, it's not my battle.
You react to what I say , I react to what you say, we dont see trucking the same way, we dissagree about everything about it, eccept maybe on bikes... ok ok we like big bikes...

I used the opportunity to point out my battles mainly because nobody listens and always asked what else there is appart union.

Nobody came up with anything appart getting our nose down and keep grinding and make sure everybody use a new pot of Vaseline.

Come on bad habit you have of thinking everybody is that dumb.
Were in 2010 nobody can hide anymore.

[liner]

Well if someone wanted to find me that bad, sure that would work......but I'm not that dumb to think that's not how my name made it to the Teamsters, along with all the others!!

Come on Ratfink....even you know better than to believe that.

[ralph]

I'd be dropping any unsolicited mail back in a mail box with "Return To Sender" written across the front. Let them pay the return postage!

Put the rest of your "Junk Mail" in the envelopes too, they will recycle it for you!

That's what I do with my junk mail, I pass it around!

[bigmac]

13 Years with my last place of work...Good pay...Good benifits...Some one made mention of a union...BAM...company is now in mexico1700 out of work.....Yup there great...where do i sign..oh yeah at the UI office...

my 2 cents

[Mercenary]

And there is one of the big problems BigMac. IF the company was doing well before there was union talk then having a union shouldn't really scare them. Moving to Mexico was probably always on the adjenda and they used the 'union talk' excuse to do the deed.

There are elements on this board who want nothing to do with unions and that is fair. Its their funeral. Being part of a union really means that you aren't just going to sit back and take whatever the company feeds you. Its about self-respect and not having to prostitute yourself for the company to make a decent living.

Where unions fall down is the lack of 'give and take' that seems so prevalent throughout most industries which has really been perpetuated by most companies lack of transparancy. Most companies see their employees as commodities or, worst yet, liabilities. As an employee you invest a significant amout of time, energy, and money in a company and you should expect a decent return on your investment. For lots of folks that can be as simple as a paycheck and some benefits and thats fine. However when a company starts down that dark path of treating their employees like cattle then the union guys step up to try and right the ship.

Your previous company didn't move to Mexico because of the union talk. They moved to make more money. Plain and simple.

[buzzy]

And there is one of the big problems BigMac. IF the company was doing well before there was union talk then having a union shouldn't really scare them. Moving to Mexico was probably always on the adjenda and they used the 'union talk' excuse to do the deed.

There are elements on this board who want nothing to do with unions and that is fair. Its their funeral. Being part of a union really means that you aren't just going to sit back and take whatever the company feeds you. Its about self-respect and not having to prostitute yourself for the company to make a decent living.

Where unions fall down is the lack of 'give and take' that seems so prevalent throughout most industries which has really been perpetuated by most companies lack of transparancy. Most companies see their employees as commodities or, worst yet, liabilities. As an employee you invest a significant amout of time, energy, and money in a company and you should expect a decent return on your investment. For lots of folks that can be as simple as a paycheck and some benefits and thats fine. However when a company starts down that dark path of treating their employees like cattle then the union guys step up to try and right the ship.

Your previous company didn't move to Mexico because of the union talk. They moved to make more money. Plain and simple.

Bottom line... regardless the company moved to stay in business. 13 years of union dues would not have prevented it.

[buzzy]

anybody from the company can get youre name, youre easy to spot, (long wheelbase remember???) all they need is a truck number and tadaaaaa

EXACTLY.......... it takes inside information to get employees home phone/address numbers.

Any owner-operator posting his home phone number is asking for trouble. it's an open invitation for a security breach leaving personal effects in jeopardy when the vehicle is spotted out on the road.

[canuck in da truck]

i know what you mean bigmac---creekbank did the same--11 yrs there and they shut it down sooo sneaky cause of union interest--laid off half on first round--then 6 months later laid off second half--that way no government intervention if less than 100 people laid off----then they were nice enough to basically blackball me me from other companies --when they check work record------guess they didnt like my opinions that i voiced about them and their mothers mating preferences-but they are still bringing in philipino drivers out west for siemens/ktl/edge triangle--the mennonite mafia

[ralph]

-but they are still bringing in philipino drivers out west for siemens/ktl/edge triangle--the mennonite mafia

I can't imagine the Gov't allowing this to still continue. I have maintained since DAY ONE that only the POS carriers need to IMPORT help. If the pay )in general) was better tens of thousands of former drivers would flock back to the industry and tens of thousands of new drivers would enter the industry.

[liner]

the mennonite mafia.

Hey now....don't be picking on us Mennonites . I was born and raised in Canada and I'm not a member of the Mafia.:lmao[1]:

[ralph]

Hey now....don't be picking on us Mennonites . I was born and raised in Canada and I'm not a member of the Mafia.:lmao[1]:

That's fuggin' funny!

Thanks for the good laugh Liner on an otherways dreary overcast day in Effingburg, Illinois.

[Mercenary]

I can't imagine the Gov't allowing this to still continue. I have maintained since DAY ONE that only the POS carriers need to IMPORT help. If the pay )in general) was better tens of thousands of former drivers would flock back to the industry and tens of thousands of new drivers would enter the industry.
When I was going through greenhorn school at Ferus there was a fellow from England who came over here to work as a temporary foreign worker...anyway he came over to work for a trucking outfit that screwed him over bad...but that is not here nor there right now. He hired on with a Canadian trucking outfit out of Edmonton who contracts to Ferus to haul N2 and C02 and he was telling me that his boss had so many problems finding Canadian drivers that he had to hire from outside the country. Seems that while they haul N2 and C02 for us they also do alot of flat deck work and he couldn't find guys willing to do the tarping and all the other work that goes with flat deck work.

I don't know how true his story is as it is completely anecdotal but that is what he told me....

[ralph]

he was telling me that his boss had so many problems finding Canadian drivers that he had to hire from outside the country. Seems that while they haul N2 and C02 for us they also do alot of flat deck work and he couldn't find guys willing to do the tarping and all the other work that goes with flat deck work.

I don't know how true his story is as it is completely anecdotal but that is what he told me....

What did that football player in the movie keep telling his agent..."Show Me The Money"...if you pay enough it will happen! Money will buy just about anything.

[canuck in da truck]

sorry bout that liner-didnt mean to insult your heritage---just a certain families heritage---actually if they changed their name to GAMBINO trucking it would be more fitting--it is a family run business---just not from sicily

[Mule Bleue]

Just got off the phone with the wife and I guess we received some more important information from the Teamsters in our mailbox again today.At least it wasn't the same old crap they sent last time.
Hate to tell you this Robert Bouvier ,but your wasting your time sending your crap to me.
:lmao[1]:
Hmmm ...I wonder how they got my name....??? Ratfink..Mule Bleue....you guys behaving out there?? :dont_know:

Snif snif liner, how poor situation you are. I really wonder on what planet you live on. Guys like you an your friends don't live in real world of the rest of the industrie , who live in a real world, not in a world where compagny owner are so good as God! What really make me sick is that peoples like you keep continiusly ridiculous the Drivers who have enough Balls the do something to improve theirs quality of live an working conditions. Peoples like you keep SPITTING on drivers that do have a different opinion then your; who are you?? Are you the thruth?? Do you know everything?? Are you that smart?? Or are you even that intelligent?? I do have respect for peoples that have different opinion then mine, even if I'm not agree, but respect goes on two way. I don't think that work that way for you liner. I don't see in any of your comments that you ever show any kind of respect for any one who differ of an opinion then your!

The only thing that reassure me is that you represent a very little tiny minority. If you would show more respect, an at least try to understand the others point of view; may be that Mule Bleue would treat you with a little bit more respect, but as long as you will keep spitting an drop the ball on the guys who stand up I will keep doing the same thing on you!

A bon entendeur Salut

[liner]

Oh get over it Mule Bleue...You have your opinion and I have mine.I'm ridiculing the teamsters.Drivers can do what they want.Respect from you....don't need or want it.

Oh... hows the new job working out?

[Mule Bleue]

What new job?? what are you talking about?

[Pipeman]

My Teamster pension cheque of over $3,400.00 a month is in the bank every month.

How much do you non union types get???

[liner]

What new job?? what are you talking about?

My mistake ....I must be gettin you fellas down that way mixed up .

[liner]

My Teamster pension cheque of over $3,400.00 a month is in the bank every month.

How much do you non union types get???

THATS NICE!!!!! I'll let you know when I retire.....but it sure won't be coming from the teamsters!!

[Mule Bleue]

Yeah liner you don't need or want my respect; WOW how impress I am. You sure don't need anything as you can do everything all by you're self, you're so much center on your navel that you sure think that the whole world is turning around it. That's your idea but like it or not the Union world is going foward an that's where the future is for the Drivers an O/O. All the O/O of CN Transportation in Montréal are with the Union, oh they also received an pay raise this year! With all the money that Dan have invest in Cmf this year ( lcv trl + new trucks + $$$ inj heavy haul equipments) why that nothing for Drivers an O/O (yeah you included). But like Ratfink have say previously : you're a good soldier!!

[Mule Bleue]

Liner any comments on the following: http://www.truckstopcanada.ca/forum/showthread.php?4672-1-year-anniversary-and-I-need-to-get-it-off-my-chest

[ratfink]

I'm ridiculing the teamsters.Drivers can do what they want.


Who cares about drivers huh???


My mistake ....I must be gettin you fellas down that way mixed up .

Down that way!!! yeah varmin, parasites etc looks all the same to you huh? , it must be confusing at times.

[ratfink]

My Teamster pension cheque of over $3,400.00 a month is in the bank every month.

How much do you non union types get???

Big fat ZERO, you got to remember Pipeman, drivers are on theyre own and the only thing important here is the owner's welfare.
Nothing else.
It's the same mentality that wall mart and others like that, they dont call them employes they call them associates.

The only difference is that drivers are associates only in sharing the work and responsibilities, not the sacrosaint profit.
the only times there was a profit sharing program was the last time union threat came. as soon the threat went away.... no more profit sharing.

Employees are a big zero, just look at the latest add in truck-news magazine, where do they talk about the first and most important asset they have???

Nowhere! just how big and new the equipment is, how wonderfull they LOOK.

With the high turnover rate, employees are just passing thru, who cares about them?

Mr liner you keep saying that it's your friend's money and he can spend it the way he want's I agree with you.
BUT when that money is taken from driver's paycheck, that's another story.

All the money saved on border crossings, the breakdowns that are NO longer paid, and when paid the first thing the worms tell you is " hey you were on the side of the road for 15 hrs but you logged sleeper for 10 so I pay you 5 hrs"
the wasted time at terminals waiting for mr planner to finish his breakfast or yack about last nights game completely ignoring you.
All the times they make you deliver a load a day later you got to the terminal so they could to save on city deliveries who are paid by the hour.

all this result in loss of revenu for drivers and force them to stay on the road longer, the hell with family life.
So who cares about drivers???????

[Mule Bleue]

Hey Folks, just read an article in highway Star of july 2010, page 10-11. Very interesting look like there's more drivers who have sign theirs card with Teamsters then there's who vote for Challenger at the 2nd annual "Best Fleet to Drive For". on 17 carriers , 7 are Canadian carriers: Bison, Brian Kurtz, Lailaw Van, Mackinnon, MSM , Shulist, an Yanke. Where's Challenger???. Talking with a Cambridge driver that was explaining that at the begining that he been ask by Dan to nominate Challenger!!!

Like that one to about Tracy Shulist when saying "...she doens't even have an expensive HR program or full time driver trainers, let alone a million-dollar simulator" or " We don't have numbers or robots working for us, we have people"

My prefer one from Peter Carter " Carriers with that philosophy are the good ones to drive for"

[Noname]

When I was going through greenhorn school at Ferus there was a fellow from England who came over here to work as a temporary foreign worker...anyway he came over to work for a trucking outfit that screwed him over bad...but that is not here nor there right now. He hired on with a Canadian trucking outfit out of Edmonton who contracts to Ferus to haul N2 and C02 and he was telling me that his boss had so many problems finding Canadian drivers that he had to hire from outside the country. Seems that while they haul N2 and C02 for us they also do alot of flat deck work and he couldn't find guys willing to do the tarping and all the other work that goes with flat deck work.

I don't know how true his story is as it is completely anecdotal but that is what he told me....

What was he willing to pay for the job duties?

[BlackIce]

Yeah liner you don't need or want my respect; WOW how impress I am. You sure don't need anything as you can do everything all by you're self, you're so much center on your navel that you sure think that the whole world is turning around it. That's your idea but like it or not the Union world is going foward an that's where the future is for the Drivers an O/O. All the O/O of CN Transportation in Montréal are with the Union, oh they also received an pay raise this year! With all the money that Dan have invest in Cmf this year ( lcv trl + new trucks + $$$ inj heavy haul equipments) why that nothing for Drivers an O/O (yeah you included). But like Ratfink have say previously : you're a good soldier!!Yes the unionized CN drivers did receive pay raises while most of the non-union large companies keep driving rates down while their owners buy new toys for management to enjoy.

[Franx]

How many of the "Pro" Union guys that frequent this forum work at Challenger and how long have they been there??

[liner]

How many of the "Pro" Union guys that frequent this forum work at Challenger and how long have they been there??

Good question.There may be a bunch that look in,but only 2 that I know of that ever post anything,and both of them have been around CMF for quite a long time.

[ratfink]

How many of the "Pro" Union guys that frequent this forum work at Challenger and how long have they been there??

A lot more than you might think.
A lot from Dorval are lurking and wont post anything, writen english isnt that good and they dont want to be ridiculed.

I know a lot are also calling me and ask me to post or respond to posts, since I'm a bad bad boy, I dont mind.

Were talking people between 13 and 17 years guys and gals.

[ratfink]

How many of the "Pro Union" posters here ever owned their own truck aside from pipeman and how many of the "Pro's" are actually drivers?

Dave:asking:

I've own my truck, worked for my father who owned trucks, I do know what I talk about sir.


Again, a lot more than you think are drivers and pro union.

I talk to them all the time and I am on the road with them,

they just dont BS me they show me theyre cards, and lately a lot of guys that I would of bet tht they woulld not sign ... did

That's how pizzsed those guys are

[liner]

I've own my truck, worked for my father who owned trucks, I do know wahat I talk about sir.


Again, a lot more than you think are drivers and pro union.

I talk to them all the time and I am on the road with them,

they just dont BS me they show me theyre cards, and lately a lot of guys that I would of bet tht they woulld not sign ... did

I don't want to start a war with this question....but how many of the pro-union crowd live outside of Quebec??

[ratfink]

I will rephrase this ------- How many of the "Pro Union" posters here currently own their own truck, (aside from pipeman), and how many of the "Pro's" are currently drivers?????

Dave

what is it that you realy want to know???
Where are you going with this?

[ratfink]

I don't want to start a war with this question....but how many of the pro-union crowd live outside of Quebec??

More and more, remember there was a group from Camb in there too huh?

Do you think that all of the drivers from Camb or elswhere are all worshiping disciple of your friend?

Again, I dont think that they will provide you a report on recruiting.

[liner]

More and more, remember there was a group from Camb in there too huh?

Do you think that all of the drivers from Camb or elswhere are all worshiping disciple of your friend?

Again, I dont think that they will provide you a report on recruiting.

Not looking for a report....the results are quite obvious...I was just curious because I never see or hear anything pro-union when I'm in Cambridge.In fact I never here anything at all about the union anywhere except here!

[ratfink]

I think my question was quite clear.Dave

I dont know how many owner operators are posting, this could be hard to tell huh?
Why would that matter?

[ratfink]

It would matter to the drivers and O/O's who read these threads to know if an O/O or driver was posting his comments or if a union employee were posting.

Many years ago, (before I woke up), I worked for the union as a BA and said many things I would not say NOW as a O/O.

Wel the vast majority of people are drivers, at cmf anyway.
Must not forget that owner operators are contractors with the company.
But like the Mackie case a while ago it was stated that they are also employees.
so senority could be a biggie this case.


The threads are informative, ok lots of agressivity (from both parts, crap I keept defending myself here) but still my goal is to get the crap out, stop hiding everything and inform drivers what's out there. how things are done.

how not to get fkd


when a newbie comes out of trucking school, a lot of times the only contact he or she had is with the instructor, and the company recruiters who meets them in schools.
I've seen drivers having NO IDEA how much they were going to get in the yard going on theyre first trip with an instructor from the company.

They are fed BS big time.

And about driver instructors... I've seen some with just about 1 year of driveng under theyre belts beeing "graduated" to instructors.

just tired of shutting up, ruffle a lots of feathers? tuff luck.
It's got to get out.

[ratfink]

Perhaps you missed this part of my question --- How many of the "Pro Union POSTERS.

DaveYeah I misss alot huh?


dont know, I must be the only one.

Happy now?

[ratfink]

Thank You --- by failing to answer the question you told me all I need to know.

Dave


I like you way of questionning, not sure what you mean, how many posters????

WTF?

I try to answer and you decide I know what you mean then decide I failed.
.
tell me where your going maybe I can answer.
Perhaps you want to rephrase it again so I have no clue what you want???

[ratfink]

Thank You --- by failing to answer the question you told me all I need to know.

Dave

Not sure if its the translation but I missed a few things here.

And what is it that you desperately needed to know????

[Mercenary]

I guess I would fall into the 'pro union' crowd. Only to a point though.....

[ratfink]

Kind of hard to tell how many pro-unions are out here.
I can tell you that theres a lot of lurkers who are following what's going on, owner operators too.

Some wont post because of language reasons,

Still dont know what I have to do with this and not sure what question I didnt answer that mysteriously answer all of his tho.

[Mule Bleue]

I'll be curious to see the dominos effect the dorval city drivers will have on the rest of challenger so as on the rest of the industry!!!

:asking: