More Teamsters BS!!

[liner]

Article from Today's Trucking web-site.


US worker misclassification bill could affect owner-ops

WASHINGTON -- The trucking industry will be closely watching two pieces of legislation that could make it more difficult to classify workers as independent contractors.

Sen. Sherrod Brown's (D-Ohio) Senate bill and Rep. Lynn Woolsey's (D-Calif.) companion legislation in the House of Representatives is supposed to prevent workers from being misclassified, which could affect the trucking industry's use of owner-operators and lease operators.

"For too long, workers have been denied vital worker safeguards -- like fair labor standards, health and safety protections, and UI or workers' compensation benefits," Brown said.

The Teamsters-backed Employee Misclassification Prevention Act would, among other things, ensure that employers keep records that reflect the accurate status of each worker as an employee or non-employee; increasing penalties on employers who misclassify their employees and are found to have violated employees' overtime or minimum wage rights; and provide protections to workers who "are discriminated against because they have sought to be accurately classified."

The Department of Labor will monitor states' efforts to identify misclassification, and the bill also permits the DOL and Internal Revenue Service to refer incidents of misclassification to one another.

In Canada, unions frequently challenge the status of independent owner-operators before Labor Relations Boards in the hopes of unionizing them.

[Mercenary]

How is this a bad thing Liner?

[Pipeman]

Liner,

That's old news for canada. Look up the Mackie Moving and Storage case and you will see where the judge sided with the Teamsters.

When the carrier has his insurance, his plates, his name on your doors and when he says "jump"... you ask how high on the way up. That make you a DEPENDENT owner operator. The other thing the judge remarked about is that how can you be INDEPENDENT when the carrier doesn;t allow you to work for anyone else. When the carrier controls your every mopve, you're DEPENDENT on him only.

[liner]

Yes I recall the Mackie case and after all those years in court nobody really won!!I'd rather be DEPENDENT on a GOOD carrier than the Teamsters any day! Been there, done that as an O/O back in the 80's and had the Teamsters representing us.That good for nothing bunch was only interested in taking our money back then for doing nothing so I can't see why anything would be any different now!

[Mule Bleue]

Hey liner, go read Truck News june 2010, pages 34; may be we should call it " More CMF/ Einweichter B/S" : all the money that spent on new trailer for the LCV when they don't even have the permits, all the new truck order when complaining that there's too much trucks on the market + millions invest in windmill equipment; very impressive, but what does the Drivers an the O/O got???? here's the awnser: BIG ZERO, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!

Wondering where did he get all that money??? ( Border crossing, cut in breakdown, etc)

[liner]

Hey liner, go read Truck News june 2010, pages 34; may be we should call it " More CMF/ Einweichter B/S" : all the money that spent on new trailer for the LCV when they don't even have the permits, all the new truck order when complaining that there's too much trucks on the market + millions invest in windmill equipment; very impressive, but what does the Drivers an the O/O got???? here's the awnser: BIG ZERO, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!

Wondering where did he get all that money??? ( Border crossing, cut in breakdown, etc)

:36_1_4[1]::36_1_4[1]:

Well I'm kinda thinking the man must have some idea of what he's doing,because I don't believe he made it this far by being stupid!

I'll never understand how someone can constantly whine and criticize their employer...yet continue to work for them.

You seem to forget that since he owns the place he can spend money however he wants....don't like it then leave and start your own company...union of course!!

[Mercenary]

Liner, I am beginning to think that you are a company plant put here to spread dissent and discord. I cannot fathom why someone would be so diametrically opposed to making a decent living and working for a fair wage.

Well, your motives are crystal clear now.

(said tounge in cheek there Liner :) )

[Mercenary]

As was my comment too there Bookworm. A little levity goes a long ways :)

[ratfink]

Ok first, define "a good carrier"... and dont come up with that self gratifying self king of the trucking world proclamation add we saw this week.

and about the 80's. it's been 30 some years ago. get over it.

Not because you and your bunch could'nt stand up for yourselves in front of Teamsters or your long time high school buddy who employes you means that everyone is like that today.

What happened last time union threats came??? suddenly a profit sharing program came up and you guys bought it, everybody shut up.... what happened as soon the threat went away????

NO MORE PROFIT SHARING!

Carriers has been piszing off drivers since the 80's because they are full of themselves.
Heres the way they think.

turnover rate is way up there, that means that logicly, all of the driving staff will be replaced soon.
So who cares if the drivers are piszed??? they're just passing thru anyway. so who cares if they abuse and decide on a whim to cut off salary so we can buy a bunch of trailers?
if some dare to talk about it or complain about it... no big deal, lets pisze him or her off and they will go away.

I can understand that youre agenda is to protect youre long time high school friend but at least respect the others.

Carriers (any of them) can buy all the trucks trailers equipment they want, for marketing sake they can self proclaim themselves the king of trucking like we saw this week but without drivers.... they are nothing.....
All they have is a big fng EGO and a yard full of pieces of equipment sitting idle.
they cant drive them all.
they need drivers and they need to start respecting them.

[liner]

Define a good carrier....Well for me that would be a carrier that I am content to work for(most of the time).For you...I don't think any such carrier exists.

You see Ratfink...I guess that's where we are different.When the teamsters started taking money from me I didn't pizz and moan about it for years on end...I just left that job and found a better one.

Teamsters....Profit sharing......I guess I missed that one.

Some new add out this week???....guess I missed that also.

As far as defending my "high school buddy". He's a big boy and doesn't need any help from me!!You really need to get over the fact that we went to the same school some 40 years ago.:dont_know:

[ratfink]

You can play with words all you want.
Keep it up.

Youre a good soldier.

[Mule Bleue]

Hey Liner go check on Teamsters web page an you'll see things going foward; Wilson an Young !!!!!!

[Pipeman]

Deregulation came about by an act of parliament as an amendment now called " Motor Vehicle Transport Act (Canada) 1989.

It took effect January 1, 1990. The Provinces were the ones looking after the federal regulations in each province.

The mandate was to deregulate all Intra and Extra Authorities within 10 years.

Well the deregualtion across this country and the USA did take place. In addition, carriers were no longer required to file public tariffs and stay with the rates within the published tariffs.

Now, carriers that paid peanuts to drivers were now in the drivers seat as Union Carriers had to charge more for the same service. Johnson Terminals, Public Freightways, White Pass & Yukon....and the list goes on and on and on...
Remember some of these???? TNT Allytrans, Quickasair, Motorways, D.S. Scott, Kingsway, Trans Canada Highway Express, Maislin,

[ratfink]

I remember well Maislin, my dad and an uncle were there for a long time.
They had a good life, Sam Maislin even if his outfit was unionized was doing very well.
HE WAS MAKIN A PROFIT and his drivers were making a good living. they had a social life.

Drivers were drivers, not mecanics, not customs clerks or anything else our brain surgeons could come up with.
They were drivers and paid very well to do theyre jobs.

[Pipeman]

I remember well Maislin, my dad and an uncle were there for a long time.
They had a good life, Sam Maislin even if his outfit was unionized was doing very well.
HE WAS MAKIN A PROFIT and his drivers were making a good living. they had a social life.

Drivers were drivers, not mecanics, not customs clerks or anything else our brain surgeons could come up with.
They were drivers and paid very well to do theyre jobs.

When I drove for GILL (Gill Interprovincial Lines Ltd) out of Burnaby, we shared dock space with Maislin. I think the yard was in Laval or was it Lasalle ???

[ratfink]

Lasalle, on Newman st. in front of a bar I cant remember the name.
Mr Sam would cross the street go to the bar and get his drivers out.
Different times huh?

[Pipeman]

We ran teams and in the fall of '67, 6 of us drivers had to layover in Monreal. Rooms oaid for and Layover time also paid for.

Sam Maislin gave us 6 tickets to Expo'67 and had a cab pick us up.

[ralph]

Hey Liner go check on Teamsters web page an you'll see things going foward; Wilson an Young !!!!!!

So they got the Wilson O/O's and the Young O/O's...Wilson is in the process of being closed and Young will hire more company trucks/drivers OR Loblaws will retender the job. I doubt ANY of the Young O/O's had a clue as to what they were doing for if their ENGLISH is as poor as their driving skills...

[ratfink]

I doubt ANY of the Young O/O's had a clue as to what they were doing for if their ENGLISH is as poor as their driving skills...

Yeah they had to be a bunch of illeterate to sign up huh?

Or is it because they just didnt want to put up with the BS you guys put up with because you were too busy worshiping your hero's.

Have a little respect for the others opinion....

[ralph]

Yeah they had to be a bunch of illeterate to sign up huh?

Or is it because they just didnt want to put up with the BS you guys put up with because you were too busy worshiping your hero's.

Have a little respect for the others opinion....

I DID NOT say that, YOU did.

[Mule Bleue]

So they got the Wilson O/O's and the Young O/O's...Wilson is in the process of being closed and Young will hire more company trucks/drivers OR Loblaws will retender the job. I doubt ANY of the Young O/O's had a clue as to what they were doing for if their ENGLISH is as poor as their driving skills...

It is amazing to see when peoples are not the same opinion of you how stupid you classified them; it doesn't mean that because you may have seen some Young driver not driving may be in the best professionnal attitude that your able to judge them, but what you should do is to RESPECT them because they had enough BALLS to sign their cards an not being affraid of all the compagny BS about closing. You think that compagny can do that indefinitly?? In those years Peoples who have enough BALLS to stand up in front of any compagny deserve RESPECT like it or not. What guys like you who are so smart are doing to improve their working conditions an quality of life!!!! Other then spitting on the PRO-UNION peoples I don't see anything positive!

Peoples may differ of opinion, but facts remain Union have improve quality of working conditions of workers but also have improve quality of life for the workers an theirs family like it or not! Remember also that when you guys are spitting on UNION you are spitting on a lot of peoples in Canada, may be your neibor, friend, uncle etc. You never know!

[liner]

It is amazing to see when peoples are not the same opinion of you how stupid you classified them; it doesn't mean that because you may have seen some Young driver not driving may be in the best professionnal attitude that your able to judge them, but what you should do is to RESPECT them because they had enough BALLS to sign their cards an not being affraid of all the compagny BS about closing. You think that compagny can do that indefinitly?? In those years Peoples who have enough BALLS to stand up in front of any compagny deserve RESPECT like it or not. What guys like you who are so smart are doing to improve their working conditions an quality of life!!!! Other then spitting on the PRO-UNION peoples I don't see anything positive!

Peoples may differ of opinion, but facts remain Union have improve quality of working conditions of workers but also have improve quality of life for the workers an theirs family like it or not! Remember also that when you guys are spitting on UNION you are spitting on a lot of peoples in Canada, may be your neibor, friend, uncle etc. You never know!

You know, I really would love to be able to see things from YOUR point of view, but my head won't go that far up my backside.:laugh1:

[Mule Bleue]

Keep laughing DA! The more you express yourself in that manner, the more you simplify my life to have the peoples to sign their cards. Keep doing you job an thanks a lot! From the millions of UNION WORKERS

[liner]

Keep laughing DA! The more you express yourself in that manner, the more you simplify my life to have the peoples to sign their cards. Keep doing you job an thanks a lot! From the millions of UNION WORKERS

Your welcome! You should'nt take this uinion thing so serious.You guys have your opinion and others have theirs.Right or wrong,I think the non union guys have voiced their opinion by not signing cards.You failed to get the support you needed to even bring it to a vote,so I think it's time to get over it and move on.

You keep telling me to "wait until the numbers are handed in"....well it's been 8-9 months now and that still hasn't been done.I know it's hard for some guys to admit defeat....but you really need to get over it!:23_11_55:

[Pipeman]

Organizing Campaign at Challenger Motor Freight: response to the letter entitled Your right to know – your right to choose

12-10-2009
EST On December 1st, your employer sent you a letter entitled Your right to know – your right to choose. We read this letter very carefully and noticed that your employer omitted a number of very important details that will help you make your decision about whether or not to join the Teamsters Union.

We ask that you please re-read the letter, this time taking the following information into account:

•UNION DUES ARE DEDUCTIBLE FROM TAXABLE INCOME. Therefore, in concrete terms, you will get back a good part of what you have paid to the union when you file your income tax return at the end of the year.
•DO YOU HAVE A RETIREMENT PLAN? Unlike the majority of workers at unionized trucking companies, workers at your company do not have a retirement plan. Is this normal? We believe it is not.
•A UNION IS NOT A PRISON. The Teamsters Union does not force workers to sign a union card or remain unionized if it no longer suits them.
•IS YOUR EMPLOYER REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR WELL-BEING? The majority of unionized workers in your industry have a retirement plan. They are paid during truck inspections and switches. Their seniority is recognized and they are not subjected to arbitrary employer decisions. Above all, they benefit from strength in numbers when the time comes to bargain a fair employment contract.
•YOUR EMPLOYER MAKES PROFITS, PART OF WHICH IS YOUR DUE. Is it normal that your pay hasn't increased over the past years? While your purchasing power decreases, your employer is raking in profits!
An industry in crisis?

Some people say that the trucking industry is suffering the direct effects of the economic crisis and that this is the reason why your working conditions do not improve. Has this crisis been going on for five years?

No, it started in 2008.

So, how do we explain this? When the industry is doing well, you get nothing; when the industry is doing poorly, you don't get anything either. Are you being made fun of?

United we stand


The Teamsters Union inspires fear in employers from your industry. Why? Because we improve the lot of thousands of truckers every day, because we believe that bosses should respect workers, and because a company's success is not built in an office, but rather on the road.

Your employer must have forgotten this, because dozens of you have contacted us and it is one of your complaints.

Above all, do not forget that UNITED WE STAND and that you alone are putting yourself at the mercy of unfair decisions.

[liner]

Hey Pipeman...you posted that under the" More Teamster BS" thread!! Honest mistake....or are you bailing out on your "brothers"???:dont_know:

[Pipeman]

Hey Pipeman...you posted that under the" More Teamster BS" thread!! Honest mistake....or are you bailing out on your "brothers"???:dont_know:

Nope. Just want everyone to pay attention to this part:


•UNION DUES ARE DEDUCTIBLE FROM TAXABLE INCOME. Therefore, in concrete terms, you will get back a good part of what you have paid to the union when you file your income tax return at the end of the year.
•DO YOU HAVE A RETIREMENT PLAN? Unlike the majority of workers at unionized trucking companies, workers at your company do not have a retirement plan. Is this normal? We believe it is not.
•A UNION IS NOT A PRISON. The Teamsters Union does not force workers to sign a union card or remain unionized if it no longer suits them.
•IS YOUR EMPLOYER REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR WELL-BEING? The majority of unionized workers in your industry have a retirement plan. They are paid during truck inspections and switches. Their seniority is recognized and they are not subjected to arbitrary employer decisions. Above all, they benefit from strength in numbers when the time comes to bargain a fair employment contract.
•YOUR EMPLOYER MAKES PROFITS, PART OF WHICH IS YOUR DUE. Is it normal that your pay hasn't increased over the past years? While your purchasing power decreases, your employer is raking in profits!

[ratfink]

Nahhh he wont comment on this, cant ridiculize this, it comes from you Pipeman.
Hey liner, you seems to be the one protecting youre friend here, you are always jumping to respond to anything we might say and ridicuize everything.

I didnt see any of your smart*** remarks or response to defend your friend here,

http://www.truckstopcanada.ca/forum/showthread.php?4672-1-year-anniversary-and-I-need-to-get-it-off-my-chest

Tell me it's normal, come on tell me it was my fault, By the way, NOTHING WAS DONE ABOUT THIS! NOTHING! the a-hole are still in place and still playing the same games with drivers still wasting good drivers.

And then you wonder WHY???
You know what? makes me laugh when you say

"You know, I really would love to be able to see things from YOUR point of view, but my head won't go that far up my backside"
First you cant see things from our point of view, friendship goes a long way in youre case, and second...

Youre wrong, youre head does go deeper than you think.
Keep worshiping youre hero!

It's not about winning or losing, it's about getting respect and people like you, cant understand that.

[liner]

Nahhh he wont comment on this, cant ridiculize this, it comes from you Pipeman.

Ratfink....I think I've made myself quite clear on how I felt about those issues over the past 6 months...or did you miss that part? I see no need in repeating myself,unlike some people!


I didnt see any of your smart*** remarks or response to defend your friend here,

http://www.truckstopcanada.ca/forum/...t-off-my-chest

No you didn't...... since he's not my friend!


First you cant see things from our point of view,

What...so now everyone has to see things YOUR way. No I don't see things from your point of view....just like you don't see my point of view!Whats wrong with that?? It's called a difference of opinion.Deal with it!!

As for the rest of your little rant..... YOU QUIT...GET OVER IT....MOVE ON!!


RESPECT....you want respect? It works both ways buddy!


Your taking this little internet thread waaaaaay too serious!! Relax a little Ratfink....your gonna give yourself a heart attack.:23_11_60:

[ratfink]

Humm get over it huh?
you see no need to repeat yourself huh?

Well good for you and just keep it for yourself then, you have expressed enough your opinion about it.
We all know who you are and what's youre game and agenda is.

So according to you, this is what should be done, everybody shut up about the past abuse and lets forget about every reason that led people to get fed up with the BS.

Is this an usefull way to use the high turnover rate? lets ignore them according to the turnover numbers they will go away anyway soon?

Let's all show to the new crop of drivers the brand new world where everybody is smiling hipocriticaly and make beleive that everything is sooooo good.
Hey why not go door to door and spread the good news to everybody. let's start a new religion.
Everybody on your knees and lets go the distance together.

The reality is not your prety and rosey world.
The reality is a lot of piszed drivers.
deal with it.

And about respect. dont even try to give me lessons.
it does go both ways, after 15 years if they treat someone like this, you tell me about respect.

http://www.truckstopcanada.ca/forum/showthread.php?4672-1-year-anniversary-and-I-need-to-get-it-off-my-chest

Hey by the way, still didn't get your expert opinion about this one, what's going on liner? you usually are fast to give it.

Somebody told you to shut up about this one???
Gag order???

[Pipeman]

LIner.....How much does your employer contribute into a pension plan for you???? Is it enough that you'll be able to retire on ???? If you're an Owner Operator, I hope he pay you enough so that you set up your own Pension Plan.

[liner]

LIner.....How much does your employer contribute into a pension plan for you???? Is it enough that you'll be able to retire on ???? If you're an Owner Operator, I hope he pay you enough so that you set up your own Pension Plan.

Nothing..I set up my own retirement plan many years ago after buying my first truck.I've been semi-retired for the past 4 years now and will retire quite comfortably when the time comes to fully retire.

I worked as a company driver at a great company (non union) with a great pension plan but left to buy my own truck.Some may call that stupid(even wondered myself some days) but I have no regrets.

[liner]

http://www.truckstopcanada.ca/forum/showthread.php?4672-1-year-anniversary-and-I-need-to-get-it-off-my-chest

Hey by the way, still didn't get your expert opinion about this one, what's going on liner? you usually are fast to give it.

Somebody told you to shut up about this one???
Gag order???

Nope.Believe it or not I was showing some respect!! I didn't want to start a war with you because no matter what I would have said,you would disagree.
If that's how it happened you were treated like crap and I don't blame you for being pizzed.Some heads should have rolled over this.I would have done things differently but that's just me.

[ratfink]

Nope.Believe it or not I was showing some respect!! I didn't want to start a war with you because no matter what I would have said,you would disagree.
If that's how it happened you were treated like crap and I don't blame you for being pizzed.Some heads should have rolled over this.I would have done things differently but that's just me.

Got it and I thank you for the sign of respect.
It's an incidious hypocritical world.
Everything is done undercover and some are masters in hiding, protecting their ***es.

Thanks again for showing respect (believe it or not, I do appreciate it) but let me tell you something, this kind of actions, this kind of distrespect for drivers from some a-holes IS the reason why all this started.

one of my friend, an owner op dad died this week end, He told me that his driver manager, (one that doesnt give a rats rear end about us usually) was all over him to see if he was allright, checked to make sure he would get home on time and all that stuff.
At least even if this guy didnt mean it he got home to his family.

Yes theres is like Pipeman says the pension plan, and senority, you might not agree with all of it and that's ok, but it all started about respect for your employees.
How lower managment (and I mean lower in every sense) can pisz drivers enough and for long enough time to get people mad and each time it's the driver's fault.
As a manager, you can get away putting the blame on a few bad apples, but you wont be able to get away all the time, you wont be able to cover your BS using drivers to cover all the time.
Drivers are people and contrary to what they think they are not that dummm!

[Mule Bleue]

Congradulation Paul for your 20 years of safe driving!

[liner]

Congradulation Paul for your 20 years of safe driving!

Thanks...I appreciate it!